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by santa100
Fri May 19, 2017 7:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why do Thai monks smoke?
Replies: 117
Views: 5296

Re: Why do Thai monks smoke?

So if the Thai monks are smoking because it is a choice they have made, something they have said yes to, and they aren't doing it due to addiction or craving then where is the unskillfulness in it? One should always question the purpose of the choice they have made. Just like those monks have made ...
by santa100
Fri May 19, 2017 12:29 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why do Thai monks smoke?
Replies: 117
Views: 5296

Re: Why do Thai monks smoke?

Whether enlightened or not, a monk should always pay careful attention when it comes to food consumption. S/he shouldn't do it for sense pleasure or even just out of habit, as instructed in AN 4.159: This body, sister, comes into being through food. And yet it is by relying on food that food is to b...
by santa100
Thu May 18, 2017 2:07 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: immeasurable beings five precepts
Replies: 5
Views: 109

Re: immeasurable beings five precepts

I quick example is the violation of the 1st precept, killing. By killing an individual, not only one's brought tremendous suffering to that individual him/herself, but also cascaded such terrible suffering to all their loved ones, relatives, and friends. The suffering of a mother who's just lost a s...
by santa100
Thu May 18, 2017 1:55 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Letting go of merit.
Replies: 23
Views: 517

Re: Letting go of merit.

The Sutta is very clear pointing to the experience I'm having. It's worth noting Prof. Piya Tan's comment to that sutta: The most significant part of the Velāma Sutta is its closing, that is, the statement that the perception of impermanence (anicca,saññā), if done “for even the moment of a finger-...
by santa100
Thu May 18, 2017 1:43 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Something beautiul about suffering?
Replies: 23
Views: 339

Re: Something beautiul about suffering?

In the suttas, "beautiful"'s never been an attribute associated with dukkha. AN 6.63 described the proper attitude toward it: Suffering should be known. The cause of suffering should be known. The diversity in suffering should be known. The result of suffering should be known. The cessatio...
by santa100
Sun May 14, 2017 1:50 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View
Replies: 146
Views: 2297

Re: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View

You really did not understand my post. Firstly, you are confusing modus ponens and modus tollens. Secondly, you do not see that modus ponens does not work backwards (If all you know is "If p then q" and "p" then you can conclude q (via modus ponens). However, If all you know is ...
by santa100
Sun May 14, 2017 5:00 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: No big deal!
Replies: 9
Views: 259

Re: No big deal!

Zen goes much deeper than that. A popular Zen story to demonstrate: A Zen student tried to show off his deep Zen understanding to his master. Student: "I'm just a wave in the ocean. Self is a delusional concept. There's no one to experience suffering, so no need for any effort. Just let it be,...
by santa100
Sun May 14, 2017 4:57 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View
Replies: 146
Views: 2297

Re: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View

In other words, it may very well be the case that the following proposition is still true: "If a person can rightly claim that he is a stream winner, he breaks the precepts some of the time". In plain English, Sotapanna can break the precepts. End of story (at least according to the sutta...
by santa100
Sat May 13, 2017 7:05 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View
Replies: 146
Views: 2297

Re: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View

Im not going to engage in this, last time you claimed that i was "hiding sutta parts deliberately" i explained how the part was irrelevant, now you accuse me of doing the same thing the second time. People can read the quote its just few posts above. I am not going to further engage in th...
by santa100
Sat May 13, 2017 6:23 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View
Replies: 146
Views: 2297

Re: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View

Im not even sure how you are reading the Sutta: This part when a noble disciple has eliminated five perils and enmities when a noble disciple has eliminated when a noble disciple when What was before this? It does not even matter for this is not explicit statement saying "when the animosities ...
by santa100
Sat May 13, 2017 5:08 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View
Replies: 146
Views: 2297

Re: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View

No, you have not proved your point at all. :anjali: My point is that it is not on the proclaimed as impossible. That is obvious and does not require proof. I have also provided a theory explaining every Sutta in coherent manner. If it is unacceptable to you and you still think it is impossible and ...
by santa100
Sat May 13, 2017 4:05 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View
Replies: 146
Views: 2297

Re: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View

This pretty much disproves your claim and shows that it is very likely that it would've been stated if it was the case. Nor is there any mechanism by which it couldve happened for a person with relatively(to an Arahant) much delusion left. This is proclaimed of an Arahant and no such thing has been...
by santa100
Sat May 13, 2017 3:55 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: No big deal!
Replies: 9
Views: 259

Re: No big deal!

Zen goes much deeper than that. A popular Zen story to demonstrate: A Zen student tried to show off his deep Zen understanding to his master. Student: "I'm just a wave in the ocean. Self is a delusional concept. There's no one to experience suffering, so no need for any effort. Just let it be, ...
by santa100
Thu May 11, 2017 1:03 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View
Replies: 146
Views: 2297

Re: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View

I am not making a statement of formal logic. What I am saying is even simpler than that. I am just talking about what is necessary and what is sufficient. I'd assume you meant the "necessary and sufficient" condition in logic. Since the Five Precepts are mentioned repeatedly in those sutt...
by santa100
Thu May 11, 2017 4:14 am
Forum: Lounge
Topic: What music are you listening to right now?
Replies: 1590
Views: 127161

Re: What music are you listening to right now?

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by santa100
Thu May 11, 2017 3:22 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View
Replies: 146
Views: 2297

Re: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View

Just to make this concept clear. Let's consider this: "One who is 2 meters tall may rightly declare themselves as being over 1.5 meters tall." This does not mean that you have to be 2 meters tall to rightly declare this....one could be 1.51 meters tall and rightly declare this. Being 2 me...
by santa100
Thu May 11, 2017 1:07 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View
Replies: 146
Views: 2297

Re: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View

... Now if you want to counter this exact point, please provide sutta to back that up. To be more specific, please provide sutta that goes against AN 10.92 which was cited above. I'm waiting. sorry, i have no interest in doing so. Also to address your inquiry, I did check Ven. Bodhi's translation v...
by santa100
Thu May 11, 2017 12:29 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View
Replies: 146
Views: 2297

Re: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View

interesting. and the sutta to back this?? nevermind that, but here is something even more interesting, you quoted 2 suttas, AN8.4, to an audience of monks, you will notice wrong speech goes like this "telling falsehoods", "divisive tale-bearing", "harsh speech", "...
by santa100
Wed May 10, 2017 11:34 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Letting go of merit.
Replies: 23
Views: 517

Re: Letting go of merit.

The example for me was feeding the birds in the garden and donation to charities. These things were actually fuelling or beginning to fuel the inner demons. It's not the "acts" of feeding the birds or donating to charities that fuel the inner demons, it's the notion of "I, mine, myse...
by santa100
Wed May 10, 2017 8:13 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View
Replies: 146
Views: 2297

Re: Challenging the Sotapanna cannot break the Five Precepts View

Then s/he did not break the Five Precepts before falling into the coma. Anyway, you're breathing, I'm breathing, all participating forum members are breathing as of the moment and AN 10.92 should be 100% clear to all of us. I'll leave it up to forum moderators now to decide to close this thread for ...

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