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by Sam Vara
Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:51 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 52
Views: 492

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

This is where you and I part ways. Blimey, this thread has developed somewhat since I went to bed! In case anyone thinks that I have absented myself from a row which I helped to cause, I'll briefly summarise my position. This appeared to begin when I said that you were confused over a post I had ma...
by Sam Vara
Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:23 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?
Replies: 18
Views: 152

Re: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?

2) The fact that you already think like this means that the metaphysical framework is, with you, no obstacle for the development and cultivation of hiri-ottappa. I don't understand what you mean here ...? Sorry, I might be being presumptuous here, but if you can see the drawbacks and unsatisfactori...
by Sam Vara
Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:12 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?
Replies: 18
Views: 152

Re: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?

I think a lot more is necessary. As long as one contemplates issues of shame and fear of consequences while one's metaphysical framework remains the same (and unaddressed), what can be accomplished? It's like rearranging the chairs on the deck of a sinking ship. I agree. The work is in changing the...
by Sam Vara
Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:00 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 52
Views: 492

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

You should rest easy, then, and your hate can remain dormant on this occasion. Please do not associate me with hate or make other personalized comments of this nature. The reference to "your hate" is a personalized comment. This is an apt example of the type of comment subject to discussion in this...
by Sam Vara
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:14 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 52
Views: 492

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

I may have misunderstood you. Following is the framework for the hypothetical conversation as I understand it: SPEAKER: "Here is the source of your confusion." PERSON SPOKEN TO: "Please stop with your personalized comments." SPEAKER: (Whatever he/she says next are the "First Words.") PERSON SPOKEN ...
by Sam Vara
Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:52 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?
Replies: 18
Views: 152

Re: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?

Binocular: Having thought about the issue you raised about hiri-ottappa only being viable in certain types of culture, my view is that the shame and moral dread are already in place in our society, but are too pervasive and diffuse to be of much use on the Eightfold Path, or indeed in any type of sp...
by Sam Vara
Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:56 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 52
Views: 492

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

I agree. I also think that when one becomes aware that one has said something, intentionally or unintentionally, which has caused a misunderstanding and possibly caused the person spoken to to feel harmed in some way, we should not escalate it. We should carefully consider our next First Words. The...
by Sam Vara
Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:42 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?
Replies: 18
Views: 152

Re: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?

The words are Pali and tend only to be heard in Buddhist circles, but the concepts behind them are commonplace and almost universal. They may be nearly universal in name, but not in content. For example, just think of what an Abrahamic monotheist considers to be "shame" and fear of consequences." I...
by Sam Vara
Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:27 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 52
Views: 492

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

Overall, a person not liking what one has posted does not in itself mean that one should have not posted it. If that were the case, anyone could close down debate by claiming - rightly or wrongly - that they do not like what has been posted. ... I agree. I also think that when one becomes aware tha...
by Sam Vara
Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:53 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 52
Views: 492

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

I read it the same way, except that there sometimes is an obvious link between Right Speech and what I termed "personalized speech." There are times when personalized speech may be Right Speech, as in the example you provided. If we have the abilities of a Buddha, then we can always discern when pe...
by Sam Vara
Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:32 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: New Journey In Buddhism
Replies: 4
Views: 65

Re: New Journey In Buddhism

Welcome! You might also want to look at this site:

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/theravada.html

From there, you can follow links and find all sorts of good material.
by Sam Vara
Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:07 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 52
Views: 492

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

This poll and this Topic were inspired by the invitation in this locked Topic from Sam Vara who wrote, among other things: "If you want to raise the topic of Right Speech, then it's best to start another thread. Ditto with any other issues here. If that thread looks good, I might participate." This...
by Sam Vara
Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?
Replies: 18
Views: 152

Re: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?

I would imagine that most people have them to some degree already, by virtue of their human birth. As the contributions in the discussion in the other thread indicate, hiri and ottappa seem to be specifically Buddhist. The words are Pali and tend only to be heard in Buddhist circles, but the concep...
by Sam Vara
Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: There is nothing to do
Replies: 11
Views: 183

Re: There is nothing to do

Effort is therefore futile. There really is nothing to do. This is Buddhism. Or am I wrong? Just thinking out loud. There is, of course, Right Effort "And what, monks, is right effort? "There is the case where a monk generates desire, endeavors, activates persistence, upholds & exerts his intent fo...
by Sam Vara
Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:34 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?
Replies: 18
Views: 152

Re: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?

Greetings, Brought up in the discussion in AN 10.76: What do shame, remorse, and negligence refer to? , my question is: Can one learn hiri and ottappa? Or are hiri and ottappa something one simply either has or doesn't have (or are such that one either learns them already as a small child, but cann...
by Sam Vara
Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Anger
Replies: 40
Views: 294

Re: Anger

In evolutionary terms, it frightens undesirable rivals away from your sexual partners and the things you need to live, and helps prevent you being at the bottom of the pecking order. Where those evolutionary pressures lessen, its purpose decreases. This isn't the full story. If you read the latest ...
by Sam Vara
Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:45 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What's the spiritual significance of perfecting a craft in Buddhism?
Replies: 6
Views: 109

Re: What's the spiritual significance of perfecting a craft in Buddhism?

On the mundane level the Buddha constantly applies the word ‘skilful’ to actions which are morally good and productive of favourable kamma results, so the Theravada craft is that of mental development. Regarding the supramundane the subject should not be discussed: https://www.accesstoinsight.org/t...
by Sam Vara
Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:29 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Anger
Replies: 40
Views: 294

Re: Anger

Anger is a common emotion and people often feel that they need to express their anger. Does anger serve any purpose? In evolutionary terms, it frightens undesirable rivals away from your sexual partners and the things you need to live, and helps prevent you being at the bottom of the pecking order....
by Sam Vara
Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:05 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Condensed version of the teachings within texts
Replies: 17
Views: 312

Re: Condensed version of the teachings within texts

You might want to try In the Buddha's Words , compiled by Bhikkhu Bodhi. https://www.amazon.com/Buddhas-Words-Anthology-Discourses-Teachings/dp/0861714911 It's an anthology which tries to cover a lot of the most important teachings. There are of course lots of explanatory texts which attempt to give...
by Sam Vara
Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:14 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: AN 10.76: What do shame, remorse, and negligence refer to?
Replies: 52
Views: 553

Re: AN 10.76: What do shame, remorse, and negligence refer to?

What better translations have you found for the words hiri and ottappa? I don't know of anything better than "moral shame" for hiri, while for ottappa I'm torn between "moral caution" and "regard for consequences". One teacher I know has translated the pairing as "conscience and concern". It's from...