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by Sam Vara
Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:38 am
Forum: News, Current Events & Politics
Topic: Contemporary threats to free speech
Replies: 300
Views: 9770

Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Greetings, https://twitter.com/PeterSweden7/status/932654777749639169 Metta, Paul. :) Yes, nothing on MSM here. On digging around a little, I found that Sturzenberger has been given a suspended sentence, rather than imprisonment. But the message here is crystal clear. I was intrigued to know whethe...
by Sam Vara
Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:28 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 93
Views: 931

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

It is not meant to be workable for the forum. It is meant to be workable for oneself. In other words, when one makes a personalized comment, playing the person rather than the ball, one can anticipate unexpected responses. In which case one can take personal responsibility for the words spoken. As ...
by Sam Vara
Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:10 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 93
Views: 931

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

If we could get back on topic at some point, that would be great. The point being that (1) we all might make comments which could reasonably be taken personally by someone else , and (2) when we do so, Dhamma teaches that we should take personal responsibility for the words we have spoken/written. ...
by Sam Vara
Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:51 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 93
Views: 931

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

This is where you and I part ways. Blimey, this thread has developed somewhat since I went to bed! In case anyone thinks that I have absented myself from a row which I helped to cause, I'll briefly summarise my position. This appeared to begin when I said that you were confused over a post I had ma...
by Sam Vara
Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:23 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?
Replies: 20
Views: 208

Re: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?

2) The fact that you already think like this means that the metaphysical framework is, with you, no obstacle for the development and cultivation of hiri-ottappa. I don't understand what you mean here ...? Sorry, I might be being presumptuous here, but if you can see the drawbacks and unsatisfactori...
by Sam Vara
Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:12 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?
Replies: 20
Views: 208

Re: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?

I think a lot more is necessary. As long as one contemplates issues of shame and fear of consequences while one's metaphysical framework remains the same (and unaddressed), what can be accomplished? It's like rearranging the chairs on the deck of a sinking ship. I agree. The work is in changing the...
by Sam Vara
Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:00 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 93
Views: 931

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

You should rest easy, then, and your hate can remain dormant on this occasion. Please do not associate me with hate or make other personalized comments of this nature. The reference to "your hate" is a personalized comment. This is an apt example of the type of comment subject to discussion in this...
by Sam Vara
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:14 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 93
Views: 931

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

I may have misunderstood you. Following is the framework for the hypothetical conversation as I understand it: SPEAKER: "Here is the source of your confusion." PERSON SPOKEN TO: "Please stop with your personalized comments." SPEAKER: (Whatever he/she says next are the "First Words.") PERSON SPOKEN ...
by Sam Vara
Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:52 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?
Replies: 20
Views: 208

Re: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?

Binocular: Having thought about the issue you raised about hiri-ottappa only being viable in certain types of culture, my view is that the shame and moral dread are already in place in our society, but are too pervasive and diffuse to be of much use on the Eightfold Path, or indeed in any type of sp...
by Sam Vara
Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:56 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 93
Views: 931

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

I agree. I also think that when one becomes aware that one has said something, intentionally or unintentionally, which has caused a misunderstanding and possibly caused the person spoken to to feel harmed in some way, we should not escalate it. We should carefully consider our next First Words. The...
by Sam Vara
Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:42 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?
Replies: 20
Views: 208

Re: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?

The words are Pali and tend only to be heard in Buddhist circles, but the concepts behind them are commonplace and almost universal. They may be nearly universal in name, but not in content. For example, just think of what an Abrahamic monotheist considers to be "shame" and fear of consequences." I...
by Sam Vara
Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:27 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 93
Views: 931

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

Overall, a person not liking what one has posted does not in itself mean that one should have not posted it. If that were the case, anyone could close down debate by claiming - rightly or wrongly - that they do not like what has been posted. ... I agree. I also think that when one becomes aware tha...
by Sam Vara
Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:53 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 93
Views: 931

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

I read it the same way, except that there sometimes is an obvious link between Right Speech and what I termed "personalized speech." There are times when personalized speech may be Right Speech, as in the example you provided. If we have the abilities of a Buddha, then we can always discern when pe...
by Sam Vara
Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:32 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: New Journey In Buddhism
Replies: 4
Views: 68

Re: New Journey In Buddhism

Welcome! You might also want to look at this site:

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/theravada.html

From there, you can follow links and find all sorts of good material.
by Sam Vara
Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:07 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 93
Views: 931

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

This poll and this Topic were inspired by the invitation in this locked Topic from Sam Vara who wrote, among other things: "If you want to raise the topic of Right Speech, then it's best to start another thread. Ditto with any other issues here. If that thread looks good, I might participate." This...
by Sam Vara
Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?
Replies: 20
Views: 208

Re: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?

I would imagine that most people have them to some degree already, by virtue of their human birth. As the contributions in the discussion in the other thread indicate, hiri and ottappa seem to be specifically Buddhist. The words are Pali and tend only to be heard in Buddhist circles, but the concep...
by Sam Vara
Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: There is nothing to do
Replies: 11
Views: 194

Re: There is nothing to do

Effort is therefore futile. There really is nothing to do. This is Buddhism. Or am I wrong? Just thinking out loud. There is, of course, Right Effort "And what, monks, is right effort? "There is the case where a monk generates desire, endeavors, activates persistence, upholds & exerts his intent fo...
by Sam Vara
Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:34 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?
Replies: 20
Views: 208

Re: Can one learn hiri and ottappa (as an adult)?

Greetings, Brought up in the discussion in AN 10.76: What do shame, remorse, and negligence refer to? , my question is: Can one learn hiri and ottappa? Or are hiri and ottappa something one simply either has or doesn't have (or are such that one either learns them already as a small child, but cann...
by Sam Vara
Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Anger
Replies: 45
Views: 391

Re: Anger

In evolutionary terms, it frightens undesirable rivals away from your sexual partners and the things you need to live, and helps prevent you being at the bottom of the pecking order. Where those evolutionary pressures lessen, its purpose decreases. This isn't the full story. If you read the latest ...
by Sam Vara
Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:45 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What's the spiritual significance of perfecting a craft in Buddhism?
Replies: 6
Views: 111

Re: What's the spiritual significance of perfecting a craft in Buddhism?

On the mundane level the Buddha constantly applies the word ‘skilful’ to actions which are morally good and productive of favourable kamma results, so the Theravada craft is that of mental development. Regarding the supramundane the subject should not be discussed: https://www.accesstoinsight.org/t...