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by Sam Vara
Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:45 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Debt to ones parents
Replies: 25
Views: 267

Re: Debt to ones parents

Because it's a skill I haven't mastered. Then how can you talk about it as if it were true and possible?? I can talk about it as if it were true, because it is analytically true. If not reacting with hatred is a skill, then one who does not react with hatred has that skill. I can talk about it bein...
by Sam Vara
Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:34 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 25
Views: 278

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

I don't think that his suicide could make up for any deficiencies in his writings among those who study them seriously. I think his suicide inclines me to be much more charitable to what he said. I'll have to think about this. Do you mean that he certainly took his thoughts and practice seriously?
by Sam Vara
Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:25 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Debt to ones parents
Replies: 25
Views: 267

Re: Debt to ones parents

And quite rightly refusing. I didn't say that anyone could do it; I said in response to the OP that this was a more skillful response. Whether they can exercise that skill or not is irrelevant. How can it be irrelevant? By not being what I was talking about. I was referring to a skill, and not refe...
by Sam Vara
Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:19 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 25
Views: 278

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

Do you think that anyone places esteem on Nanavira because of his suicide, or do you think it might be because of his writings? People not rarely have a special affection for those who die (relatively) young, regardless of how that death came to be. I don't think this affection can be clearly separ...
by Sam Vara
Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:15 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 25
Views: 278

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

Nanavira's reputation should be evaluated in such a context. Respected as an intellectual but not venerated as a model. To do otherwise would be irresponsible. Edit - moreover, the apparent fruit of his intellectual endeavors calls them into question. I don't think I've ever known anyone venerate N...
by Sam Vara
Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:44 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 25
Views: 278

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

questions543 wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:38 pm

That's why I consider the esteem placed on Nanavira to be disturbing and irresponsible.
Do you think that anyone places esteem on Nanavira because of his suicide, or do you think it might be because of his writings?
by Sam Vara
Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:32 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 25
Views: 278

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

It's possible that it was a hyperbolic example, but he succinctly and unironically lays out his reasoning here For me at least, the more intelligent of these two courses of action is suicide; a return to lay life would be pure weakness, and in any case I should be miserable. It would be "weakness."...
by Sam Vara
Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:46 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 25
Views: 278

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

Am I wrong here? Is it because he was afraid of disgracing the Sangha rather than of disgracing himself? Why then the mention of marrying a wealthy widow, who is also "hideous"? I think you are over-simplifying it, and missing the ironic nuance that an upper-middle class Englishman would have used....
by Sam Vara
Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:48 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Debt to ones parents
Replies: 25
Views: 267

Re: Debt to ones parents

And still you're refusing to give an actual example of how a person from a dysfunctional environment can develop the faith that they can overcome their life-circumstances and purify themselves. And quite rightly refusing. I didn't say that anyone could do it; I said in response to the OP that this ...
by Sam Vara
Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:29 am
Forum: Modern Interpretations
Topic: Mindfulness and modern ideas about it
Replies: 1
Views: 74

Re: Mindfulness and modern ideas about it

Many thanks Robert. This is an interesting article. Although he lost my sympathy somewhat when he said this: Although there are various definitions of mindfulness, a workable one, drawn from some of the most respected practitioners, is the nonjudgmental awareness of the richness, subtlety and variet...
by Sam Vara
Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:10 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Sunlun Sayadaw method
Replies: 110
Views: 1945

Re: Sunlun Sayadaw method

I said last week that I would give this method a bit of a trial, see how I got on with it, and then report back for anyone who was interested. So here goes! I can't pretend to have delved all that deeply into the method, partly because it is obviously a broad living tradition of which my knowledge i...
by Sam Vara
Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:21 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Debt to ones parents
Replies: 25
Views: 267

Re: Debt to ones parents

The fact that one has a healthy enough mind and body to be able to think how "messed up" his parents are, is enough proof that at the very least his mother was caring enough for a full 9-month duration to properly nurtured the baby inside and his father was caring enough to provide a safe condition...
by Sam Vara
Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:03 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Debt to ones parents
Replies: 25
Views: 267

Re: Debt to ones parents

Well, you either have faith that people can overcome their life-circumstances and purify themselves, or you are trapped in determinism. That's a depressing dichotomy you suggest there. "Well, you either have faith that people can overcome their life-circumstances and purify themselves, or you don't...
by Sam Vara
Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Debt to ones parents
Replies: 25
Views: 267

Re: Debt to ones parents

I want to see someone actually work out the details of how a person from a dysfunctional background can develop such a view. Well, you either have faith that people can overcome their life-circumstances and purify themselves, or you are trapped in determinism. If you want examples of the former, yo...
by Sam Vara
Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:34 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Debt to ones parents
Replies: 25
Views: 267

Re: Debt to ones parents

If you think that it's "messed up" to attribute a debt to children who are hurt by their children, then consider two children from identically abusive and neglecting backgrounds. One child grows up to think "My parents were horrible people by all standards of morality that I know". The other child ...
by Sam Vara
Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:26 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Debt to ones parents
Replies: 25
Views: 267

Re: Debt to ones parents

It says right here "Why is that? Mother & father do much for their children. They care for them, they nourish them, they introduce them to this world." . Is it true for all parents? Yes, I think it is true for all parents. Do you have difficulty believing it because there are people who, convention...
by Sam Vara
Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:45 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Debt to ones parents
Replies: 25
Views: 267

Re: Debt to ones parents

It says right here "Why is that? Mother & father do much for their children. They care for them, they nourish them, they introduce them to this world." . Is it true for all parents? Yes, I think it is true for all parents. Do you have difficulty believing it because there are people who, convention...
by Sam Vara
Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:44 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the inter-relationship between different aspects of dharma, seeing it as a whole
Replies: 19
Views: 299

Re: the inter-relationship between different aspects of dharma, seeing it as a whole

kinds of bestial topics of conversation : conversation about kings, robbers, & ministers of state; armies, alarms, & battles; food & drink; clothing, furniture, garlands, & scents; relatives; vehicles; villages, towns, cities, the countryside; women & heroes; the gossip of the street & the well; ta...
by Sam Vara
Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the inter-relationship between different aspects of dharma, seeing it as a whole
Replies: 19
Views: 299

Re: the inter-relationship between different aspects of dharma, seeing it as a whole

binocular wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:37 pm
I think this falls under the heading of bestial topics of conversation.
Why so?
by Sam Vara
Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:09 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the inter-relationship between different aspects of dharma, seeing it as a whole
Replies: 19
Views: 299

Re: the inter-relationship between different aspects of dharma, seeing it as a whole

Bundokji wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:19 pm

Coherence is our attempt to find order.
Or is, perhaps, the order that we find, the order that is there whether we attempt to find it or not.