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by Sam Vara
Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:33 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5092
Views: 473685

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

Merely doing, saying, and resolving no evil doesn't yet qualify as an accomplishment. I don't think anyone is claiming that it does. Lacking bad intention is not, in the terms of the sutta, sampannakusalo . All that is being claimed here is that it is in accordance with the precepts, and that it do...
by Sam Vara
Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:09 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: The ethics of being indifferent about whether one harms others
Replies: 53
Views: 2103

Re: The ethics of being indifferent about whether one harms others

I know what naïve realism is, thanks; I said I saw no sign of it in this thread, which is about ethics. Where is evidence of naïve realism? People being confident that "things really are the way they see them" rings no bells? Sorry, no. I haven't looked at this thread for quite a while. Can you poi...
by Sam Vara
Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:57 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The Mainstream or The Outsider?
Replies: 179
Views: 6681

Re: The Mainstream or The Outsider?

I'm not familiar with the latter imagery, perhaps you could explain it for us? Imagine the army, for example, marching on. There are those at the front line, and then those behind. Or an exploratory expedition where some are at the front, and the rest behind. In one sense, those at the front line c...
by Sam Vara
Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:45 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5092
Views: 473685

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

"humanitarian", "decent", "rights-based", or "ethical" are vague adjectives, you instead are trying to box me into a precise philosophical current where I dont belong You should not do it "Utilitarian" is equally vague. There are aspects of it in many ethical systems, including Buddhism. Nobody is ...
by Sam Vara
Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:07 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5092
Views: 473685

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

No, English is not my first language but, as you can probably see, I am pretty much fluent in English. Let's just say that your expression appears to be stronger than your comprehension. You are missing or misinterpreting a lot of what is being posted by others. As for your opinions, yes, there is ...
by Sam Vara
Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:14 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5092
Views: 473685

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

Indeed, referring to you as a Utilitarian seems to be unwelcome to you, so I'll try to work round it. No, this is not the point. The point is that is not polite to call a person and to label it according to your own wishes just because you think you see some similarities between what they say and s...
by Sam Vara
Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:31 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5092
Views: 473685

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

It was perhaps unfortunate that you Googled something which is expressed in obscure 18th Century terminology. But when you express a view that animal death and suffering is to be avoided, as you do here: in any way you want to put the question you would still provoke more suffering by eating meat B...
by Sam Vara
Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:42 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5092
Views: 473685

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

In those terms, you seem to be arguing for the maximising of utility by preventing suffering and death consequent upon meat production; you might not be familiar with the terminology, but that is what you have been arguing. Actually no. I wasnt talking about maximising any utility It was perhaps un...
by Sam Vara
Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:03 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5092
Views: 473685

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

Well, again, reading about what the founder of utilitarianism is saying For instance, Jeremy Bentham, the founder of utilitarianism, described utility as "that property in any object, whereby it tends to produce benefit, advantage, pleasure, good, or happiness...[or] to prevent the happening of mis...
by Sam Vara
Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:15 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5092
Views: 473685

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

I would not call having compassion towards a living being as "Western utilitarianism". As for me there are people here who seem to care about the life of other living beings and try to minimize their suffering and others who rely on the scriptures with the only (?) intention to justify their own ac...
by Sam Vara
Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:41 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5092
Views: 473685

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

Pascal2 wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:35 pm
Ceisiwr wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:24 pm
The question is if buying the meat is bad kamma or not.
Actually no. As for me I wasnt talking about good or bad khamma at all
Goodness! It looks as if some people are talking about the Buddhist idea of kamma, and others are talking about Western utilitarianism!
by Sam Vara
Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:58 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Bare Awareness and Nibbana
Replies: 33
Views: 439

Re: Bare Awareness and Nibbana

What is the Pali word for "bare awareness"? I don't think there is anything closer than sati , as Nanaponika coined the term when discussing mindfulness: to tap the actual and potential power of mindfulness it is necessary to understand and deliberately cultivate it in its basic, unalloyed form, wh...
by Sam Vara
Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:35 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Arguments
Replies: 17
Views: 390

Re: Arguments

Excellent question, C. It seems that the factor differentiating these two different types of argument is that the former focuses on the person making the argument, whereas the latter sticks to the topic in question. The examples are about you being wrong, and me being right, and the people themselve...
by Sam Vara
Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:34 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5092
Views: 473685

Re: The Great Vegetarian Debate

chownah wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:22 pm
Of course I guess I will go to hell for a very long time for having done this.....or maybe not.....it will make my death sort of exciting not knowing how this stuff will work out!
chownah
:jawdrop:

When your time comes, try to think of all the people you fed! :thumbsup:
by Sam Vara
Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:24 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5092
Views: 473685

Re: The Great Vegetarian Debate

To which the classical economists answer is "Why don't they, then?" Such food does not currently exist because growers see no market for it. And there is no market for it as not enough Buddhists are enough compassionate You'll need to start a better religion, Pascal2! You are more compassionate tha...