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by perkele
Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:02 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Monastics and suicide
Replies: 434
Views: 7671

Re: Monastics and suicide

If you have thousands of followers, taking your life without communicating could have a devastating effect on every body. I think that is a bit far-fetched. To come back to the case of Ven. Samahita (which I guess you are thinking of here), I think his distant online followers would have not been s...
by perkele
Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:58 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Monastics and suicide
Replies: 434
Views: 7671

Re: Monastics and suicide

True, but they would benefit fewer beings on account of the shortening of the time they remain in the world. This is the important part, even more so for non arahant. Who cares for lowly worldlings? /s (The way this discussion develops one can easily get the impression that some here think to be ar...
by perkele
Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:24 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sotapanna has abandoned all remorse forever?
Replies: 14
Views: 217

Re: Sotapanna has abandoned all remorse forever?

I would be glad, Bhante, if you could clarify this. The Uragasuttavaṇṇanā on the abandoning of the hindrances: /.../ Thank you very much, Bhante, for taking the time to dig this up and translate it. So it is a deduction (?) made in some commentary. At a first glance, it looks like inferring a lot f...
by perkele
Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:57 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Monastics and suicide
Replies: 434
Views: 7671

Re: Monastics and suicide

But, why kill yourself? Isn’t the time as a human precious for practice? If you are already enlightened or heading for the higher realms I'd say remaining a human is probably of no benefit anymore I have a vague remnant of a memory that this warped way of thinking had been addressed somehow somewhe...
by perkele
Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:09 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Monastics and suicide
Replies: 434
Views: 7671

Re: Monastics and suicide

I haven't been able to find more details about it, but on principle satyriasis could be incompatible with being a monk. I don't know if there is a list of diseases and health problems that could be a legitimate reason for a monk to have to disrobe, even though he himself has not committed an offens...
by perkele
Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:54 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Monastics and suicide
Replies: 434
Views: 7671

Re: Monastics and suicide

Greetings perkele, The point on which I did not agree with retro was the decision being "logical" or "based in logic", which is what I was questioning, in good faith, trying (without much apparent success) to understand what he means by that... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic I almost feel like...
by perkele
Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:09 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Monastics and suicide
Replies: 434
Views: 7671

Re: Monastics and suicide

And he reasoned that it would be better for him to kill himself and get lucky with a new life/body (which the Buddha called "blameworthy"!) to fulfill his noble aspirations Valid comment. Well-spoken. - He was a sotapanna - Rebirth is true - A sotapanna is on the right path and cannot be reborn in ...
by perkele
Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:43 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sotapanna has abandoned all remorse forever?
Replies: 14
Views: 217

Re: Sotapanna has abandoned all remorse forever?

Free from immoral action, one is free from remorse. It appears to be a big claim that a sotapanna has perfect social morality. Surely, a sotapanna that follows the five precepts could have remorse for some action, for example, such as say giving the wrong advice to a person. Also, if a sotapanna is...
by perkele
Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:37 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sotapanna has abandoned all remorse forever?
Replies: 14
Views: 217

Re: Sotapanna has abandoned all remorse forever?

[*]vicikicchā: doubt (specifically: fundamental doubt about Dhamma, as far as I think/understand) Can you explain what you mean by fundamental doubt about Dhamma? I think everyone has doubt on whether the nibanna really exists, whether the Buddha's teachings are true. A Sotapanna has seen nibanna w...
by perkele
Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:20 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Monastics and suicide
Replies: 434
Views: 7671

Re: Monastics and suicide

Greetings, You said his choice was "logical". Nothing to do with logistics. Yes, as in based in logic. I don't think logistics means what you think it means. I don't know why you brought up logistics and don't know what you think I think logistics means and what logistics has to do with anything we...
by perkele
Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:32 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Monastics and suicide
Replies: 434
Views: 7671

Re: Monastics and suicide

Greetings, What do you mean by "logical"? I don't see how he was "logically" restricted to only the choice "knife or wife" (as he wrote). Where did I say "logistically restricted", whatever that means? You said his choice was "logical". Nothing to do with logistics. I don't see by which logic he wa...
by perkele
Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:06 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Monastics and suicide
Replies: 434
Views: 7671

Re: Monastics and suicide

I believe once a person attains a certain level of realisation on the path, killing themselves has no consequence on their future re-birth. But, why kill yourself? Isn’t the time as a human precious for practice? If you are already enlightened or heading for the higher realms I'd say remaining a hu...
by perkele
Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:50 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Monastics and suicide
Replies: 434
Views: 7671

Re: Monastics and suicide

What page are we up to now? We are on page 26 for the desktop version of the forum. For mobile devices the pagination is different. If you (thepea, added for context, while I (perkele) am replying despite not being addressed) had read Nanavira's Letters, as you claim to have done, then you would kn...
by perkele
Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:06 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Monastics and suicide
Replies: 434
Views: 7671

Re: Monastics and suicide

I believe once a person attains a certain level of realisation on the path, killing themselves has no consequence on their future re-birth. But, why kill yourself? Isn’t the time as a human precious for practice? I think it most certainly is. Since the Buddha said it is blameworthy to "lay down thi...
by perkele
Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:50 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sotapanna has abandoned all remorse forever?
Replies: 14
Views: 217

Sotapanna has abandoned all remorse forever?

In this topic , it was said by Venerable Dhammanando: Now the order of abandoning of the five hindrances is: sotāpanna: remorse and doubt anāgāmi: sense-desire and ill will arahanta: sloth-and-torpor and restlessness Since the sotāpanna has abandoned remorse, he will never again experience the hindr...