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by legolas
Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:19 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?
Replies: 96
Views: 12749

"Rise and Fall" How to practice it?

An example of discursive thinking leading to penetration is here..................... "Monks, there is a four-phrased statement that, when it is recited, a wise man will in no long time learn the meaning through discernment. I will recite it, and you learn it from me.".................................
by legolas
Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:04 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?
Replies: 96
Views: 12749

Re: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?

Getting back to Alex's initial post about "rise & fall" and whether discursive thinking is used. The way I understand things is that jhana as taught in the suttas is actually developed through insight/understanding of one or more aspects of the Buddha's Dhamma. From within jhana the rise & fall of e...
by legolas
Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:58 pm
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?
Replies: 96
Views: 12749

Re: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?

Hi Tilt, No I haven't read it in full. The commentaries & some teachers today, portray jhana as suppression - this is not correct - it is abandoning (I admit it is not eradication - merely a means to approaching eradication). The Buddha never talked about jhana as a means to suppress. The austeritie...
by legolas
Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:46 pm
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?
Replies: 96
Views: 12749

Re: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?

Hi Beeblebrox, It does seem we do agree on quite a few things. Your initial confusion could have been cleared up by asking me how I used certain words like "abandoning". I dont know why you thought I was being obtuse by clarifying what right concentration is or talking about "noting" or vipassana jh...
by legolas
Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:56 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?
Replies: 96
Views: 12749

Re: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?

And what commentaries say this? And exactly how do the jhanas "abandon" the hindrances permanantely, which is what you seem to be say that they do? Not at all. Saratthappakasini, Samyutta Nikaya-atthakatha. This is a complete misrepresentation -please read my post again. I never said that jhanas al...
by legolas
Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:55 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?
Replies: 96
Views: 12749

Re: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?

While I understand the distinction being made, if you take what legolas wrote in context and understand it not from the perspective that you presented it in (through isolating one idea stated in one sentence), but from within the context of what was written, the term "right concentration" implies "...
by legolas
Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:09 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?
Replies: 96
Views: 12749

Re: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?

And an even better use for samadhi: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an04/an04.041.than.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; "And what is the development of concentration that, when developed & pursued, leads to the ending of the effluents? There is the case where a monk re...
by legolas
Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:24 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?
Replies: 96
Views: 12749

Re: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?

Thoughts subsiding/free from...... "Furthermore, with the stilling of directed thoughts & evaluations, he enters and remains in the second jhana: rapture and pleasure born of composure, unification of awareness free from directed thought and evaluation — internal assurance. He permeates and pervade...
by legolas
Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:05 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?
Replies: 96
Views: 12749

Re: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?

I take it that you are in agreement with me that there is no sutta where thought subsides other than when 2nd jhana and above is attained. I'm not sure what you mean by "subside". Perhaps you're talking about ceasing completely. That doesn't seem relevant to the current discussion. There are a numb...
by legolas
Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:33 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?
Replies: 96
Views: 12749

Re: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?

As a question, can you point to any sutta where the Buddha states that thoughts subside other than the 2nd jhana and above? If it takes the second jhana for thoughts to subside, then the 2nd jhana certainly is not at all unknown to experienced vipassana practitioners in long term retreats who exper...
by legolas
Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:39 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?
Replies: 96
Views: 12749

Re: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?

I agree with Tilt. I'm a relative amateur compared to some people here, but my experience is that after several days on silent retreat building up mindfulness and concentration it's really not that difficult to get some idea of what the Buddha was talking about. If you attend closely then there wil...
by legolas
Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:26 pm
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?
Replies: 96
Views: 12749

Re: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?

Possibly one of the most straightforward approaches to jhana is this....... "Anuruddha, when you think these eight thoughts of a great person, then — whenever you want — quite withdrawn from sensuality, withdrawn from unskillful qualities, you will enter & remain in the first jhana: rapture & pleasu...
by legolas
Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:52 pm
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?
Replies: 96
Views: 12749

Re: "Rise and Fall" How to practice it?

Hello all, In the suttas it often talks about many benefits of contemplating rise and fall. But the instructions He gives seem to imply that one thinks about it. "There is the case where a monk [discerns]: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance. Such is feeling... Such is perce...
by legolas
Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:17 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: HHDL Cook Off!
Replies: 49
Views: 2787

Re: HHDL Cook Off!

. Maybe times are changing and a high-profile Theravadin leader will emerge. I rather hope not. I hope not too. I don't know if the Buddha expressly prohibited proselytisation, but from early times it has been discouraged. I think there are many reasons for this, not least among them is the fact th...
by legolas
Tue Jun 14, 2011 2:41 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: HHDL Cook Off!
Replies: 49
Views: 2787

Re: HHDL Cook Off!

This is one of the sillier thread I have seen in some time. The Dalai Lama is on a cooking show? He is not my teacher, he does not belong to the school I belong to, he does not seem to be doing anything inappropriate, so I don't give a rat's ass. There are other thing that one can get one's nose ou...
by legolas
Tue Jun 14, 2011 2:27 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: HHDL Cook Off!
Replies: 49
Views: 2787

Re: HHDL Cook Off!

This is one of the sillier thread I have seen in some time. The Dalai Lama is on a cooking show? He is not my teacher, he does not belong to the school I belong to, he does not seem to be doing anything inappropriate, so I don't give a rat's ass. There are other thing that one can get one's nose ou...
by legolas
Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:14 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: HHDL Cook Off!
Replies: 49
Views: 2787

Re: HHDL Cook Off!

Greetings Legolas, Agreed. It is an irony that HHDL is someone whom I could admire as a political leader whilst I find his behaviour as a monk rather suspect. If you were to assess him against Theravada criteria, then this would be so. However, on the other hand, he's probably drawn more people to ...
by legolas
Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:12 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: HHDL Cook Off!
Replies: 49
Views: 2787

Re: HHDL Cook Off!

Agreed. It is an irony that HHDL is someone whom I could admire as a political leader whilst I find his behaviour as a monk rather suspect.
by legolas
Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:59 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: HHDL Cook Off!
Replies: 49
Views: 2787

Re: HHDL Cook Off!

Greetings Legolas, I know the vinaya has rules about watching shows, surely they have rules about partaking in them. I don't claim to be an expert in Mahayana, so I'm happy for someone to tell me I'm wrong... but I've heard that Bodhisattva Vows trump conventional Vinaya for a Mahayana Bhikshu. Pre...
by legolas
Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:52 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: HHDL Cook Off!
Replies: 49
Views: 2787

HHDL Cook Off!

http://aww.ninemsn.com.au/videos/?video ... 6ddd&tab=1

Reality shows? Is this really what a monk should be doing?

I know the vinaya has rules about watching shows, surely they have rules about partaking in them.