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by binocular
Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:36 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5192
Views: 475569

Re: the great vegetarian debate

If one accepts that animals are, like we humans, involved in their own kammic suffering, by what wholesome intent can we justify interfering with and interrupting that process to satisfy our sensory cravings. Such as by saying that human life is more important than animal life; and that human dieta...
by binocular
Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:02 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5192
Views: 475569

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

Pascal2 wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:40 am
At this point is seems easy to me for someone to justify his behavior. Just pick the translation you like.
Such is samsaric life ...
by binocular
Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:59 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5192
Views: 475569

Re: the great vegetarian debate

Who’s playing dumb? Clinton didn't inhale, Nixon didn't lie, and the good Buddhist has no intention to do harm ... See this thread -- Subject: The ethics of being indifferent about whether one harms others . There, the case of someone is also discussed who intends no harm by one's actions, but othe...
by binocular
Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:45 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5192
Views: 475569

Re: the great vegetarian debate

Not when there's a power differential between the two persons. When there is a meat-eating argument fudger above me in the institutional hierarchy, that's a source of misery for me. I don't care whether they eat meat or not. But when I'm supposed to trust and look up to someone who plays dumb (whet...
by binocular
Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:11 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: haiku
Replies: 5
Views: 121

Re: haiku

Black cat, spring raindrops,
Cherry blossoms at her paws:
She was my brother.
by binocular
Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:04 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: haiku
Replies: 5
Views: 121

Re: haiku

Faithless cultural
appropriation _is_ the
winter of the heart.
by binocular
Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:12 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: conceit is the path?
Replies: 15
Views: 176

Re: conceit is the path?

Someone might think "well I have self now, I believe in self. But no problem , after I get to be a sotapanna I will have no self, not believe in self anymore". It will never happen. That's a strawman. The way it works- as I see it- is that ones learns and test and considers the teachings in daily l...
by binocular
Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:10 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5192
Views: 475569

Re: the great vegetarian debate

Many posts in this thread seem to be along the lines of "No true Scotsman". "You can't be a proper Buddhist/compassionate/consistent/etc., if you /.../" Come to think of it, this is what this discussion is actually about, isn't it. The definition of "Buddhist" and "Buddhism". If people suffer becau...
by binocular
Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:17 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5192
Views: 475569

Re: the great vegetarian debate

Many posts in this thread seem to be along the lines of "No true Scotsman". Since there is no universally binding definition of "true Buddhist", anyone can pass for a Buddhist ... or noone ... A word without a referent. Anatta at its finest. Until the appearance of the next sammasambuddha, everyone...
by binocular
Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:22 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: conceit is the path?
Replies: 15
Views: 176

Re: conceit is the path?

SarathW wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:08 am
What is the sutta reference and link?
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/AN/AN4_159.html
by binocular
Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:22 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: conceit is the path?
Replies: 15
Views: 176

Re: conceit is the path?

robertk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:40 pm AS I think you would agree, there is no one who can sit back and observe this happening - simply because according to Dhamma there is literally no one . And this is a view to hold even prior to stream entry? The fetter of self-view is said to be abandoned up...
by binocular
Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:43 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5192
Views: 475569

Re: the great vegetarian debate

Unless you are eating like a monk, from an alms bowl, or are in a situation where the selection of your food is completely someone else’s choice, in a hospital for example, or you are starving somewhere, all circumstances where intent does not go beyond sustenance, eating choices and intentions can...
by binocular
Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:28 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5192
Views: 475569

Re: Is fishing breaking the precept?

I am sure there are many people heere more who could provide better quotes then me but this is what I have found after a short search in the web Even as a mother protects with her life Her child, her only child, So with a boundless heart Should one cherish all living beings; https://www.accesstoins...
by binocular
Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:21 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 5192
Views: 475569

Re: the great vegetarian debate

Once again, if someone buys and eats meat they aren’t inherently acting upon unwholesome intentions. Buying meat has no inherent intention to kill or to harm, and it’s not inherently greedy to buy meat much less to eat it. This Neo-Devadatta thinking has no place in the Dhamma. Every action I take,...
by binocular
Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:12 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Canki Sutta: What is meant by conviction?
Replies: 23
Views: 457

Re: Canki Sutta: What is meant by conviction?

You need to be more precise about what you mean by "going by". In the Kalama Sutta it appears to mean something along the lines of "believing" or "acting upon", whereas this could not be the case regarding " a good word of the Blessed One's reputation has spread as follows.. ." The reports, etc. ma...