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by binocular
Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:47 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Memorization and the Oral Tradition
Replies: 404
Views: 8268

Re: Memorization and the Oral Tradition

Let's just all be pharisaic philistines, because that makes everything so much easier!!
by binocular
Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:24 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Memorization and the Oral Tradition
Replies: 404
Views: 8268

Re: Memorization and the Oral Tradition

Can we trust the Tipitaka since it comes from centuries of oral-tradition only? This is where understanding the oral tradition and orality as such would help. In short, the oral tradition is probably more reliable than the written one, given that the oral tradition is based on what is, for all inte...
by binocular
Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:38 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Memorization and the Oral Tradition
Replies: 404
Views: 8268

Re: Memorization and the Oral Tradition

But that's irrelevant now. All traditions have started initially with oral transmission and then later changed into traditions based on texts. Just because something is written down doesn't mean that it is devoid from the characteristics of the oral tradition and orality, or that the characteristic...
by binocular
Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:36 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Memorization and the Oral Tradition
Replies: 404
Views: 8268

Re: Memorization and the Oral Tradition

Not on behalf but applying the doctrine in terms of faith and fetters is speaking from its perspective. You're applying the doctrine as you see fit, and refuse to acknowledge that doing so is your own personal bias. I am not interested in people but in the doctrine. In your version of the doctrine,...
by binocular
Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:26 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Memorization and the Oral Tradition
Replies: 404
Views: 8268

Re: Memorization and the Oral Tradition

But that's irrelevant now. All traditions have started initially with oral transmission and then later changed into traditions based on texts. Just because something is written down doesn't mean that it is devoid from the characteristics of the oral tradition and orality, or that the characteristic...
by binocular
Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:16 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Memorization and the Oral Tradition
Replies: 404
Views: 8268

Re: Memorization and the Oral Tradition

From the perspective of Theravada doctrine your main interest So you think you can speak on behalf of "Theravada doctrine"? Lol. in people and lack of interest in doctrine might be based on a fetter. Which just shows that you don't understand where I'm coming from. Where does your energy to keep di...
by binocular
Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:02 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Arahants and magic tricks
Replies: 89
Views: 974

Re: Arahants and magic tricks

... Just keep your mind set on the Dharma. Magic and Transcendental powers, although they can be helpful, are secondary to the philosophy that will emancipate you from the suffering of this world. In any case, pursue Metta and nothing else, Chownah. Did you hear that, Chownah? You're receiving such...
by binocular
Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:00 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Arahants and magic tricks
Replies: 89
Views: 974

Re: Arahants and magic tricks

But you might be equating relevance with ability. When sensual passion is no longer a motive, this might unleash abilities that are not known to ordinary people. Usually, insight is associated with the senses becoming exceptionally clear. I think it would be easier and quicker to just become an ara...
by binocular
Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:56 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Memorization and the Oral Tradition
Replies: 404
Views: 8268

Re: Memorization and the Oral Tradition

SteRo wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:28 pmSee you may find countless reasons why people might try to practice this or that using as basis for reasoning psychology, sociology or some ideology. But that doesn't change the fact that faith comes first according to Theravada doctrine.
Actual people don't live by Theravada doctrine.
:shrug:
by binocular
Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:43 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Memorization and the Oral Tradition
Replies: 404
Views: 8268

Re: Memorization and the Oral Tradition

Pascal2 wrote: Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:03 amYou may be aware that hundreds of years passed from the date of the Buddha when the suttas started to be written down
Thus making the whole Theravada tradition an oral tradition!
by binocular
Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:29 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: OCD and spiritual
Replies: 32
Views: 324

Re: OCD and spiritual

Maybe you are clinging to an idea of "wholism" in the sense that Theravada doctrine has to cover each and every phenomenon known in present day world. But cultivating such ideas is inappropriate. E.g. one needs to solve a problem in physics then physical science is relevant not Theravada doctrine. ...
by binocular
Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:22 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Arahants and magic tricks
Replies: 89
Views: 974

Re: Arahants and magic tricks

Bundokji wrote: Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:20 pmSo, if i understand you correctly, the notion of objective reality and its utility in constructing things is irrelevant to the Arahant.
Sure. The arahant has no things to do and no places to be, unlike ordinary people.
by binocular
Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:19 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Memorization and the Oral Tradition
Replies: 404
Views: 8268

Re: Memorization and the Oral Tradition

You asked: If one has doubt then why should one practice at all? I replied. I listed some reasons that actual people have for practicing even as they have doubt. If that "doesn't align" with the "Theravada doctrine" ... then you are merely superimposing your understanding of "Theravada doctrine" on ...
by binocular
Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:15 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Arahants and magic tricks
Replies: 89
Views: 974

Re: Arahants and magic tricks

If I would have to guess, I'd say they are -- but it doesn't matter for them. Sensory illusions are relevant for people who need to get things done in the world. Assuming that arahants don't have to, for example, build bridges and ships nor measure liquid contents in transparent containers, the opt...
by binocular
Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:12 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: OCD and spiritual
Replies: 32
Views: 324

Re: OCD and spiritual

The Theravada doctrine is presently available as English texts in present day English, so there is no need to engage in your speculations. If today the world knows psychiatric illnesses and therapies for these illnesses then that's part of present day worldly knowledge which is irrelevant for this ...