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by SteRo
Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:39 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Becoming in Dependant Origination
Replies: 54
Views: 977

Re: Becoming in Dependant Origination

I need to go find the book from the library to check again. But it seems to me he meant human like to "exist" and create offsprings to "exist" to become father and mother of offsprings? Yes, I think that might be an appropriate context that goes beyond the fermentation/asava of sensuality and might...
by SteRo
Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:15 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Becoming in Dependant Origination
Replies: 54
Views: 977

Re: Becoming in Dependant Origination

form wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:04 pm
Ahjan chah wrote in his book human love sex because they like becoming. Is that true?
I don't think so. Humans like sex because of the fermentation/asava of sensuality in the desire realm. But the context in which he wrote that would certainly be important to understand why he wrote that.
by SteRo
Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:41 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Becoming in Dependant Origination
Replies: 54
Views: 977

Re: Becoming in Dependant Origination

If I don't look then I don't look so I can't see. However having looked and seen and then stopped looking but thinking "It is still there" is what might conform with a convention. you really don't have to teach me the conventions of the world ... I know them. 'might conform with convention' is not ...
by SteRo
Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:26 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sutta where the Buddha declares that everything is dependently originated?
Replies: 58
Views: 1180

Re: Sutta where the Buddha declares that everything is dependently originated?

Ok I have nothing against this view but I have been criticized for saying that the aggregates dependently originate which conforms - from my perspective - with an alleged momentariness. So see, I have tried to offer a compromise in terms of wording only because for me it makes no difference whether...
by SteRo
Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:30 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Becoming in Dependant Origination
Replies: 54
Views: 977

Re: Becoming in Dependant Origination

That is your suggestion. If I agree we share a convention. Notwithstanding that 'seeing' referring to vision is considered as evidence for existence of the seen in the world which again is a convention even if it is a majority convention. If you don't look, the object will be still there. Or if you...
by SteRo
Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:53 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Conscience and Buddhism
Replies: 25
Views: 480

Re: Conscience and Buddhism

Through insight into Dependent Origination, one realizes that one can not seperate wrong from right, through which, one's conscience dissolves. then i guess a realized person may as well go out and start shooting people randomly , because he's now without conscience. :jumping: Maybe that depends on...
by SteRo
Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:38 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sutta where the Buddha declares that everything is dependently originated?
Replies: 58
Views: 1180

Re: Sutta where the Buddha declares that everything is dependently originated?

There is the idea of momentary arising.....where a sensory media (e.g. vision) arises whenever the internal and external objects (e.g. the eye and the form) are coincident along with the associated consciousness (e.g. eye consciousness).....and then when the mind moves on to other things the seeing...
by SteRo
Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:17 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Conscience and Buddhism
Replies: 25
Views: 480

Re: Conscience and Buddhism

... Through insight into DO, one realizes that one cannot separate wrong from right, and because of this, one does not develop a conscience. This again seems to be based on a christian understanding of 'conscience' and 'morally right' and 'morally wrong' as independently 'given'. But we have clarif...
by SteRo
Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:46 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Either Buddhism is pure nihilism or dependent origination must be reinterpreted?
Replies: 40
Views: 620

Re: Either Buddhism is pure nihilism or dependent origination must be reinterpreted?

... Further this is absolutely not my fabrication. I would never come up with such an extreme idea. This is something that was thought up by Buddhist thinkers millennia ago. I practiced and studied Buddhism for twenty years before I came across this idea and really understood it. I wish I was smart...
by SteRo
Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:35 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Becoming in Dependant Origination
Replies: 54
Views: 977

Re: Becoming in Dependant Origination

Existence(that is or something is) refer to things what you can know objectively. Subjective reality are things what doesn't exist. I don't agree with Peter on many points but "know objectively" seems to be relative depending on conventions as soon as it is verbalized and if it is not verbalized no...
by SteRo
Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:06 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Becoming in Dependant Origination
Replies: 54
Views: 977

Re: Becoming in Dependant Origination

Existence(that is or something is) refer to things what you can know objectively. Subjective reality are things what doesn't exist. I don't agree with Peter on many points but "know objectively" seems to be relative depending on conventions as soon as it is verbalized and if it is not verbalized no...
by SteRo
Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:43 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Either Buddhism is pure nihilism or dependent origination must be reinterpreted?
Replies: 40
Views: 620

Re: Either Buddhism is pure nihilism or dependent origination must be reinterpreted?

Rules for this thread: ... 3.) Stay in the suttas. Using bizarre theories or science fiction are not allowed as they do not exist in the suttas. 4.) Making everything imaginary does not solve the issue as the mind, and therefore imagination, is dependently originated too, and so does not ultimately...
by SteRo
Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:35 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sutta where the Buddha declares that everything is dependently originated?
Replies: 58
Views: 1180

Re: Sutta where the Buddha declares that everything is dependently originated?

But since the arahant has been born as a non-arahant earlier how could the arahant's five sensory spheres NOT have been arisen from ignorance? There is the idea of momentary arising.....where a sensory media (e.g. vision) arises whenever the internal and external objects (e.g. the eye and the form)...
by SteRo
Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:20 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Becoming in Dependant Origination
Replies: 54
Views: 977

Re: Becoming in Dependant Origination

From my perspective its the five khandhas. I don't think so because these originate from ignorance. Before I try to respond a couple of questions, Do you accept that the five khandhas can be included under the broader categories of Rupa, citta, cetasika? [Rupa] ={Rupa-khanda} [Citta] ={vinnana-khan...
by SteRo
Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:48 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sutta where the Buddha declares that everything is dependently originated?
Replies: 58
Views: 1180

Re: Sutta where the Buddha declares that everything is dependently originated?

I'm still trying to find sn12.81 where it uses the term "ignorant-contact". ... I think that MN 121 PTS: M iii 104 Cula-suññata Sutta: The Lesser Discourse on Emptiness talks about this: https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.121.than.html#fnt-1 "He discerns that 'This theme-less concentrat...