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by Pulsar
Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:24 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 264
Views: 11891

Re: Jhana

Jatukanni sutta inspired me last night, more because I got hold of a translation of Sutta Nipata by Ven. BB the day before, I already had the Saddhatissa version. It is wonderful to have both, Sutta nipata is mostly poems, poems are beautiful, but to make it beautiful, one sacrifices elaboration.  ...
by Pulsar
Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:23 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.
Replies: 244
Views: 9358

Re: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.

To continue the comment Pulsar started last wed. i.e. Oct 16/2019. Revisiting Susima sutta, https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn12/sn12.070.than.html one can plainly see, Susima is accusing the arahants of being incomplete in their attainments and that if they could not perform the superna...
by Pulsar
Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:13 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.
Replies: 244
Views: 9358

Re: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.

Responding to ven Dhammanando, his bringing up MN 70 Kitagiri sutta, to show us why immaterials important   I tried to figure out what ubhatobhagga means. An excerpt from AN 9.45 Ubhatobhaga sutta:(Released) Both ways. www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an09/an09.045.than.html   There is the case, ...
by Pulsar
Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:08 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 264
Views: 11891

Re: Jhana

More one treads the territories of 4 jhanas, more one's attention is grabbed by some reference to one or another aspect of the four buddhist jhanas, without specific identification, dotting the landscape of Theri and Tharagatha. For instance below is an excerpt from Theragatha under Udayin Having pa...
by Pulsar
Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:10 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 264
Views: 11891

Re: Jhana

confusedlayman wrote is sleep paralysis without terror feeling instead sleep paralysis with bliss feeling has anything to do with any meditation? on another thread you wrote paralysis definition= body paralysed, mind fully aware and know what's going on but can't move body at will In that state if y...
by Pulsar
Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.
Replies: 244
Views: 9358

Re: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.

Rev Dhammanando, thank you for being here. I wrote that Arupas were not practiced by buddhists in Buddha's time, meaning Arupas of Upanishad leanings. It is true that many suttas have 4 arupas following the 4 jhanas, these had to be practiced in a modified manner. Can you pl explain to me the differ...
by Pulsar
Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:13 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.
Replies: 244
Views: 9358

Re: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.

Chownah it is true there is negative stuff written about Erich Frauwallner, they are related to his political beliefs. His work on Abhidhamma is a whole other matter, Even Rupert Gethin recognizes him as a great scholar. To judge him one needs to read his work on Abhidhamma . His brilliance, the dep...
by Pulsar
Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:48 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.
Replies: 244
Views: 9358

Re: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.

frank k wrote As for DN 2, my theory on why arupas are not mentioned, is because they're too subtle to have similes for It is true there are no similes for the so called four Arupas in the canon,   these were not practiced by Buddhists at Buddha's time, only by non-buddhist ascetics. They were intr...
by Pulsar
Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:54 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.
Replies: 244
Views: 9358

Re: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.

frank k wrote in sutta nipata parayana vagga, it does mention some of the arupa samadhis, without referring it to it by standard names, being done by non buddhists. and it explains how to use those arupa samadhis to realize nirvana. The sutta nipatas also never mention 4 jhanas by their standard nam...
by Pulsar
Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:17 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 264
Views: 11891

Re: Jhana

As one develops a practice in 4 jhanas even to rudimentary levels, the rewards express themselves here and now. For instance Pulsar read MN 7 a while ago, it was just ordinary, the understanding minimal, did not leave a huge impression on Pulsar, say like MN 122 or MN 119 Here is MN 7 Vatthupama sut...
by Pulsar
Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:08 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.
Replies: 244
Views: 9358

Re: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.

Pulsar is indebted to dear Ven Dhammanando for bringing up two different kinds of cessation found in the Pali canon. Here is what I uncovered of this state, by doing a literature search. Of all the meditative attainments, the state of saññāvedayitanirodha is definitely the most difficult to achieve....
by Pulsar
Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:25 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.
Replies: 244
Views: 9358

Re: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.

Ven. Dhammanando wrote Because the type of virtuoso described in the Sāmaññaphalasutta is one who has arrived at cessation in the sense of dukkhanirodha, not cessation in the sense of saññāvedayita-nirodha-samāpatti. It is only for one aspiring to the latter that the āruppas are a prerequisite A que...
by Pulsar
Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:41 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.
Replies: 244
Views: 9358

Re: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.

Chownah wrote Unsubstantiated allegation Yes we talked about this before. Is there a sutta in Sutta nipata that refers to a special set of 4 arupas? Can you explain why this set is missing in DN 2 Samannaphala Sutta? yet the practitioner has attained cessation? Rhys Davids points out the expressions...
by Pulsar
Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:14 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.
Replies: 244
Views: 9358

Re: Jhanas, Misconceptions that have arisen regarding the Four Rupa Jhanas.

On one of the threads related to jhana I found this interesting or relevant comment made by Suaimhneas. This may explain why there is so much confusion around the word jhana.  There is of of course this.  Four steps called Arupas get inserted much later, after Buddha passed away, so naturally reason...
by Pulsar
Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:37 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 264
Views: 11891

Re: Jhana

Auto wrote internet search doesn't come up with anything, so i don't find that Sutta a link to sutta https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.131.than.html A detailed exposition of the sutta https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/nanananda/wheel188.html Dear Auto, I think you confuse the ...