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by Spiny Norman
Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:25 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Eating in a restaurant part 2
Replies: 60
Views: 599

Re: Eating in a restaurant part 2

And there are more ways to reply to remorse than the two mentioned earlier. It's also possible, among other things, to wave it off with an idle gesture of the hand, which seems more likely in the case if the wrongdoing was intentional. The discussion in this thread has tended to confirm my initial ...
by Spiny Norman
Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:57 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Do you have any tips on continuously mental labelling?
Replies: 11
Views: 163

Re: Do you have any tips on continuously mental labelling?

Such singling out of part of the Satipatthana sutta’s (DN 22) directions on feelings is misleading, the comprehensive statement at the end of the section says: “In this way he remains focused internally on feelings in and of themselves, or both internally and and externally on feelings in and of th...
by Spiny Norman
Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:44 am
Forum: Wellness, Diet & Fitness
Topic: The case against coffee (important)
Replies: 53
Views: 3363

Re: The case against coffee (important)

http://time.com/5033881/health-benefits-of-drinking-coffee/ Coffee is increasingly earning scientists’ approval. Studies continue to suggest that the beverage may have some beneficial effects on health. Sponsored Stories Presumably it depends on the strength of the coffee, not just on the volume co...
by Spiny Norman
Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:41 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Do you have any tips on continuously mental labelling?
Replies: 11
Views: 163

Re: Do you have any tips on continuously mental labelling?

The focus of attention on what is happening is the thing, not the labeling. Yes, of course, the point is to be mindful of certain aspects of experience, not of the labelling itself. But in my experience labelling/noting can be a useful aid, rather like the way some people count breaths in meditatio...
by Spiny Norman
Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:23 am
Forum: Modern Interpretations
Topic: Master of mindfulness, Jon Kabat-Zinn
Replies: 91
Views: 1007

Re: Master of mindfulness, Jon Kabat-Zinn

I am curious as to whether those who are critical of MBSR actually have any experience of it?

"I tried it, but didn't find it satisfactory because...( insert reasons )" seems like a more credible response than "I just don't like the sound of it".
by Spiny Norman
Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:15 am
Forum: Modern Interpretations
Topic: Master of mindfulness, Jon Kabat-Zinn
Replies: 91
Views: 1007

Re: Master of mindfulness, Jon Kabat-Zinn

So thoughts are thoughts, feelings are feelings, etc. -- and then what? Let go of. "The intellect is not yours: let go of it. Your letting go of it will be for your long-term happiness & benefit. Ideas are not yours... Intellect-consciousness is not yours... Intellect-contact is not yours... Whatev...
by Spiny Norman
Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:12 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: Alternative Forms of Vipassana
Replies: 33
Views: 335

Re: Alternative Forms of Vipassana

Isnt Satipatthana meditation a different form of meditations outside oof Vipassana? I wanted to focus this thread on Vipassana types only and not Satipatthana. "Vipassana" is based on satipatthana. People talk about vipassana as a method, but it's really a quality of mind. "These two qualities have...
by Spiny Norman
Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:07 am
Forum: Modern Interpretations
Topic: Master of mindfulness, Jon Kabat-Zinn
Replies: 91
Views: 1007

Re: Master of mindfulness, Jon Kabat-Zinn

robertk wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:21 am
I would say any phenomena which arises only for an instant , then ceases immediately- as all dhammas do- is insignificant and if seen as such wouldn't even need to be dismissed.
But there are moods and states of mind which persist over time, hence the need for Right Effort.
by Spiny Norman
Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:32 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Do you have any tips on continuously mental labelling?
Replies: 11
Views: 163

Re: Do you have any tips on continuously mental labelling?

It's worth noting, if such details are of interest to you, that the Buddha did not teach such a practice. I think there is a basis for labelling in the Satipatthana Sutta, for example: "And how does a monk remain focused on feelings in & of themselves? There is the case where a monk, when feeling a...
by Spiny Norman
Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:27 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Right Speech: Getting Personal
Replies: 129
Views: 1388

Re: Right Speech: Getting Personal

What a strange thread. For some reason it brought this to mind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
by Spiny Norman
Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:35 pm
Forum: Discovering Theravāda
Topic: How to stop associating yourself with your thoughts?
Replies: 47
Views: 1019

Re: How to stop associating yourself with your thoughts?

Well, I assume it is wisdom (pañña) and appropriate attention (yoniso manasikara) that put their fingertips on the scales so that it tipps more towards wholsomeness. That's the “constantly choosing“ in my eyes. The “choosing“ also happens when their isn't enough wisdom tipping the scales towards un...
by Spiny Norman
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:33 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: I'm trying to attain some inner peace here
Replies: 26
Views: 420

Re: I'm trying to attain some inner peace here

I've been doing that for months. One might think I would have improved a tad bit by now but nooooo. Hence the frustration. :( You might need to adjust your method. Where are you currently noticing the breath? Are your eyes open or shut? You could also consider trying a different meditation object. ...
by Spiny Norman
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:25 pm
Forum: Modern Interpretations
Topic: Master of mindfulness, Jon Kabat-Zinn
Replies: 91
Views: 1007

Re: Master of mindfulness, Jon Kabat-Zinn

Kim OHara wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:54 am
Many non-Buddhists, like you, have arrived at Buddhism via MBSR - which is a good thing.
Many others have been helped by MBSR - which is a good thing - but not followed through to Buddhism - which is okay.
It seems like a win-win situation.
by Spiny Norman
Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:09 am
Forum: Discovering Theravāda
Topic: How to stop associating yourself with your thoughts?
Replies: 47
Views: 1019

Re: How to stop associating yourself with your thoughts?

Right Effort, Right Intention and Right Concentration are skills to be developed. They aren't developed by mere will. I cannot simply decide to have Right Effort and Right Intention, but by constantly choosing wholesome conditions over unwholesome conditions (in order to know what is what there mus...
by Spiny Norman
Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:06 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1067

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

Nibbida seems to be a turning away from all experience. Why? Because all experience is unsatisfying and is dukkha. Nibbida is a condition for dispassion which in turn is a condition for release. So, returning to my original question, is this turning away from all experience present in the modern mi...
by Spiny Norman
Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:39 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Eating in a restaurant part 2
Replies: 60
Views: 599

Re: Eating in a restaurant part 2

So please explain what you think the correct understanding is here, practically speaking, using the example of a feeling of remorse. This has been repeatedly explained. A further example: Jack takes Jill's candy away for no reason. Jill cries. Jack feels remorse. (1) Helpful reaction by Jack: He fe...
by Spiny Norman
Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:45 am
Forum: Discovering Theravāda
Topic: How to stop associating yourself with your thoughts?
Replies: 47
Views: 1019

Re: How to stop associating yourself with your thoughts?

The more I realize that I am not in charge, that I have no control, the more the process of dependent origination (here I'm not speaking of the 12-links but more of formations forming formations) becomes apparent and the notion of personality begins to fade away, because if it was me that is thinki...
by Spiny Norman
Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:33 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1067

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

Bhante, what you are referring to is not the same thing that Spiny put forth. Jhana is certainly helpful and leads to nibbida, etc. Spiny spoke of "suttas [in which] there is the idea of turning away from the conditioned, and towards the unconditioned." The sutta I cited is certainly an example of ...
by Spiny Norman
Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:26 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Eating in a restaurant part 2
Replies: 60
Views: 599

Re: Eating in a restaurant part 2

Perhaps not, but going "straight to anatta" with a feeling of remorse could well have that effect - effectively dismissing the remorse, rather than examining why it has arisen, and if one has done harm. It would have that effect only if one understands anatta incorrectly. It's like trying to go str...