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by Dinsdale
Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:51 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Who or what is being mindful?
Replies: 37
Views: 466

Re: Who or what is being mindful?

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an04/an04.041.than.html "And what is the development of concentration that, when developed & pursued, leads to mindfulness & alertness? There is the case where feelings are known to the monk as they arise, known as they persist, known as they subside. Per...
by Dinsdale
Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:45 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Who or what is being mindful?
Replies: 37
Views: 466

Re: Who or what is being mindful?

The short and simple answer is the correct one here: "The monk", or the person who is doing this particular practice at the time. It is, I think, a "how to" instruction in everyday language rather than a metaphysical statement about selfhood or whatever. Sure, but the "how to" seems to require an o...
by Dinsdale
Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:43 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Who or what is being mindful?
Replies: 37
Views: 466

Re: Who or what is being mindful?

If you're trying to find an "eternal" observer or awareness or "original" mind or absolute or whatever word you want to use, you'll never find one because it doesn't exist. That's an assumption, though actually it wasn't one I made in the OP. And besides asking for a practice on how to achieve some...
by Dinsdale
Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:40 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Who or what is being mindful?
Replies: 37
Views: 466

Re: Who or what is being mindful?

On the contrary, I think the discussion here is very much related to the question of self and non-self. The awareness of body posture is pre-school meditation; not even kindergarten of ABCs. Do you have any constructive comment to make? I did. :smile: You seem to be attempting to apply calculus to ...
by Dinsdale
Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:59 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Who or what is being mindful?
Replies: 37
Views: 466

Re: Who or what is being mindful?

auto wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:29 pm
I am walking,
By all means remove the "I am", and just say "walking" - but who or what is aware of "walking"? Who or what is aware of seeing, hearing, feeling, thinking, etc?
by Dinsdale
Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:55 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Who or what is being mindful?
Replies: 37
Views: 466

Re: Who or what is being mindful?

But how do you notice thoughts without an observer to notice? Practically speaking? Note that we're in a practice sub-forum, so I'm interested in a practical discussion. I'm familiar with what the suttas say. Consider the famous "cognito, ergo sum" , "I think, therefore I am" Do you see the flaw in...
by Dinsdale
Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:51 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Who or what is being mindful?
Replies: 37
Views: 466

Re: Who or what is being mindful?

auto wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:19 pm
what is that conceit, it prolly is the same "I am" tanha mana
Is the sense of an observer in satipatthana the same as mana? I don't think it is, but I could be wrong.
by Dinsdale
Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:44 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Who or what is being mindful?
Replies: 37
Views: 466

Re: Who or what is being mindful?

"I ask the kinsman of the Sun, the great seer, about seclusion & the state of peace. Seeing in what way is a monk unbound, clinging to nothing in the world?" "He should put an entire stop to the root of objectification-classifications: 'I am the thinker.'[1] https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka...
by Dinsdale
Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:36 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Who or what is being mindful?
Replies: 37
Views: 466

Re: Who or what is being mindful?

Who or what does the "I" and "he" refer to in the Satipatthana Sutta? This is very basic beginner's meditation; unrelated to the realisation of non-self. On the contrary, I think the discussion here is very much related to the question of self and non-self. Do you have any constructive comment to m...
by Dinsdale
Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:32 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Who or what is being mindful?
Replies: 37
Views: 466

Re: Who or what is being mindful?

This is no different than Advaita Vedanta, which is exactly what Nisargadatta Maharaj teaches in the book "I am that". This is not what the Buddha taught or what the Buddha arises for. This is what the Upanishads teach. Interesting point, but I wonder if the experience is somewhat similar. It might...
by Dinsdale
Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:28 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Who or what is being mindful?
Replies: 37
Views: 466

Re: Who or what is being mindful?

The short and simple answer is the correct one here: "The monk", or the person who is doing this particular practice at the time. It is, I think, a "how to" instruction in everyday language rather than a metaphysical statement about selfhood or whatever. Sure, but the "how to" seems to require an o...
by Dinsdale
Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:22 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Who or what is being mindful?
Replies: 37
Views: 466

Re: Who or what is being mindful?

Who or what does the "I" and "he" refer to in the Satipatthana Sutta? Notice the Buddhist rejection of the 'I' is not a rejection of its use in the conventional sense: 'I am speaking', 'I am walking', etc. What is rejected is the absolute 'I', the 'I' that stands for a substantial, permanent, and c...
by Dinsdale
Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:44 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: What i think about mental noting
Replies: 27
Views: 336

Re: What i think about mental noting

It is a great method for strengthening Sati, one of many, and I think it is a great contribution from Mahasi to the world. Yes, it's a useful tool, and I have found it particularly useful for "refocusing" attention. I've also found that noting doesn't have to be continuous to be effective. IMO noti...
by Dinsdale
Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:57 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: If I am reborn it is not me. So why I care about the rebirth?
Replies: 126
Views: 4578

Re: If I am reborn it is not me. So why I care about the rebirth?

cappuccino wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:44 pm
Atheist Buddhists are more atheist than Buddhist.
Buddha was an atheist because he rejected Atman/Brahman. :tongue:
by Dinsdale
Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:52 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Who or what is being mindful?
Replies: 37
Views: 466

Who or what is being mindful?

Who or what does the "I" and "he" refer to in the Satipatthana Sutta? "Furthermore, when walking, the monk discerns, 'I am walking.' When standing, he discerns, 'I am standing.' When sitting, he discerns, 'I am sitting.' When lying down, he discerns, 'I am lying down.' Or however his body is dispose...