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by Dinsdale
Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:56 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: The Satipatthana Sutta a forgery?
Replies: 191
Views: 37156

Re: The Satipatthana Sutta a forgery?

Despite its slightly misleading title, this thread is actually about the Mahāsatipaṭṭhāna Sutta. It's concerned with the thesis in Ven. Sujāto's book, History of Mindfulness , (linked to in the opening post) that in early Buddhism the objects of the fourth satipaṭṭhāna were just the hindrances and ...
by Dinsdale
Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:37 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?
Replies: 20
Views: 143

Re: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?

dharmacorps wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:23 pm
Thanissaro Bhikkhu I believe has said that ignorance in Buddhism isn't just not having access to accurate information...
The Vipallasa Sutta comes to mind.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
by Dinsdale
Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:26 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?
Replies: 20
Views: 143

Re: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?

https://suttacentral.net/sn56.17/en/bodhi “Bhikkhu, not knowing suffering, not knowing the origin of suffering, not knowing the cessation of suffering, not knowing the way leading to the cessation of suffering: this is called ignorance, bhikkhu, and it is in this way that one is immersed in ignoran...
by Dinsdale
Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:22 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?
Replies: 20
Views: 143

Re: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?

The Actuality is the ignorance should be abandoned in the beginning and IN LINE with the Cessation of the dependent origination orders . Though it appears that DO only ceases when ignorance has fully ceased. "Now from the remainderless fading & cessation of that very ignorance comes the cessation o...
by Dinsdale
Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:35 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?
Replies: 53
Views: 723

Re: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?

What i am trying to say is that a "changing self" is an oxymoron and it is where deception seem to happen even if we experience the world in that way. I think we are muddling up two rather different things here. One is belief/disbelief in Atman, the other is "psychological" self view, the sense of ...
by Dinsdale
Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:26 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?
Replies: 53
Views: 723

Re: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?

Nibbana is also a label used to describe a state where there is: - No rebirth - No feelings/sensation - No forms - No perception - No fabrications - No consciousness To me, those things sound a lot like "existence", since if you cannot sense anything, you cannot perceive anything, you cannot cogniz...
by Dinsdale
Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:24 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?
Replies: 53
Views: 723

Re: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?

Why couldn't something be there all the time, but perpetually changing? Like the weather, for example. This is called forms, and forms aren't "real". If you slap a label on something it doesn't make it real. For example, a chair is just a bunch of wood, plastic, or metal, organized in a certain way...
by Dinsdale
Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:00 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Translating a MN 140 passage
Replies: 29
Views: 500

Re: Translating a MN 140 passage

DooDoot wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:54 am
I would like to thank everyone for the contributions but it appears to become unsubstantiated sectarianism.
So if people don't agree with your personal interpretation, it is "unsubstantiated sectarianism"? :shrug:
by Dinsdale
Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:46 am
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Translating a MN 140 passage
Replies: 29
Views: 500

Re: Translating a MN 140 passage

I sense Bhikkhu Sujato's translation is the most realistic; where as the translations of Bhikkhu Bodhi and Thanissaro sound vague or obtuse to me. For example, Bhikkhu Bodhi's translations appears to infer the feeling is terminating rather than the body is terminating. Actually Ven. Bodhi and Thani...
by Dinsdale
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:44 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?
Replies: 53
Views: 723

Re: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?

If it comes to an end it is not permanent. Sure. If there is movement then it must come to an end. Why couldn't something be there all the time, but perpetually changing? Like the weather, for example - the rain stops, but the weather continues. If it comes into existence, it must go out of existen...
by Dinsdale
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:19 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?
Replies: 53
Views: 723

Re: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?

What i am trying to say is that a "changing self" is an oxymoron and it is where deception seem to happen even if we experience the world in that way. I think we are muddling up two rather different things here. One is belief/disbelief in Atman, the other is "psychological" self view, the sense of ...
by Dinsdale
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:13 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?
Replies: 53
Views: 723

Re: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?

Label it whatever you want, at the end of the day you cannot have sensuality (6 senses) and permanence at the same time. I don't see why not, if the permanent essence is hidden "beneath" the senses, which I think is what Hinduism teaches. You could say that the goal of Hindu practice is to discover...
by Dinsdale
Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:15 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?
Replies: 53
Views: 723

Re: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?

If you can't see how "my" or "self" implies unchanging, then could you explain the difference between Anatta and Atman? I think in Hinduism there is the assumption of a transcendent reality "beneath" mundane experience, ie Atman/Brahman. You could say that practice is aimed at "seeing through" the ...
by Dinsdale
Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:40 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why are you in this forum?
Replies: 53
Views: 1964

Re: Why are you in this forum?

Sam Vara wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:59 pm
The "sutta-expert" who gets into protracted or rancorous arguments with others is, I think, worth watching, but not following.
Good point. ;)

https://xkcd.com/386/
by Dinsdale
Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:37 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?
Replies: 53
Views: 723

Re: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?

I think too many people fall into the trap of looking at the finger (Anicca, Dukkha, Anatta) rather than to what the finger is pointing at (Nibbana). Good point. Anicca, Dukkha, Anatta are safeguards you use to measure experience. They are a form of quality assurance to test your experience to see ...