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by Dinsdale
Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:41 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 4406
Views: 321821

Re: the great vegetarian debate

I'm not going to second guess what the buddha said. It looks like you are moralizing now (isn't what you say an expression of morality which is seen as a vital part of what the buddha taught?).....but I am not. I am just stating what I can to the best of my abilities determine to be facts I'll leav...
by Dinsdale
Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:28 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 4406
Views: 321821

Re: the great vegetarian debate

Oh, okay, so your point might be (?) that domesticated animals have a lower infant mortality rate and therefore a better "quality" of life? Domestic animals receive more care from their owners either due to affection (as in pets) or because of their economic value (farm animals) and receive visits ...
by Dinsdale
Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:23 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: [SN 44.10]Is “attā” self or essence?
Replies: 11
Views: 263

Re: [SN 44.10]Is “attā” self or essence?

Having read the Wiki article mentioned in the OP, my money is on "Ātman" (an everlasting soul kind of thing). Isn't "an everlasting soul" is very common in Hinduism since ages? I think that's correct, though the suttas seem mostly concerned with challenging self-view, the sense of "me", the sense o...
by Dinsdale
Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:21 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: [SN 44.10]Is “attā” self or essence?
Replies: 11
Views: 263

Re: [SN 44.10]Is “attā” self or essence?

cappuccino wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:32 pm
Dinsdale wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:15 am
Regarding everything as not self is also a self-doctrine.
Actually it's not.
Oh yes it is. :tongue:

Seriously though, I can't see any practical difference between the view of "no-self" and the view of "everything is not-self".
by Dinsdale
Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:15 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base... NOT
Replies: 126
Views: 2075

Re: Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base... NOT

cappuccino wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:30 pm
Nirvana is a state, a type of consciousness


How could a type of consciousness be unconditioned?
by Dinsdale
Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:52 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: the great vegetarian debate
Replies: 4406
Views: 321821

Re: the great vegetarian debate

Oh, okay, so your point might be (?) that domesticated animals have a lower infant mortality rate and therefore a better "quality" of life? Domestic animals receive more care from their owners either due to affection (as in pets) or because of their economic value (farm animals) and receive visits ...
by Dinsdale
Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:35 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base... NOT
Replies: 126
Views: 2075

Re: Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base... NOT

It’s obvious that the absence of greed, hate, and delusion is something to be known by the mind. I would describe these as qualities of the mind ( citta ), bearing in mind the third frame of the Satipatthana Sutta. Though the qualities ( "symptoms" ) of something are not necessarily the thing itsel...
by Dinsdale
Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:28 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base... NOT
Replies: 126
Views: 2075

Re: Is Nibbana experienced at mind-sense base? Nope it is not.

What then could cognize it if not manāyatana ? To propose another āyatana would be to make Nibbāna into a visible object, sound, taste, odour or tangible. To propose an agent of cognition outside the āyatanas would be to posit another "all". Though passages like this seem to suggest another ayatana...
by Dinsdale
Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:15 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: [SN 44.10]Is “attā” self or essence?
Replies: 11
Views: 263

Re: [SN 44.10]Is “attā” self or essence?

cappuccino wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:33 pm
Mo self is still a self doctrine
Yes.
cappuccino wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:33 pm
regard everything as not self, that's OK
Regarding everything as not self is also a self-doctrine.
by Dinsdale
Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:24 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?
Replies: 55
Views: 980

Re: What is Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta are the five clinging-aggregate?

Bundokji wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:28 pm
The mind and body will continue to change and sense different things, but the Arahant has no identification with them.
Do you mean the Arahant is somehow separate from mind and body, from the aggregates?
by Dinsdale
Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:21 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is it that take birth ?
Replies: 55
Views: 1225

Re: What is it that take birth ?

“When my concentrated mind was thus purified, bright, unblemished, rid of imperfection, malleable, wieldy, steady, and attained to imperturbability, I directed it to knowledge of the recollection of past lives. I recollected my manifold past lives, that is, one birth, two births, three births, four...
by Dinsdale
Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:56 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: The Satipatthana Sutta a forgery?
Replies: 191
Views: 37540

Re: The Satipatthana Sutta a forgery?

Despite its slightly misleading title, this thread is actually about the Mahāsatipaṭṭhāna Sutta. It's concerned with the thesis in Ven. Sujāto's book, History of Mindfulness , (linked to in the opening post) that in early Buddhism the objects of the fourth satipaṭṭhāna were just the hindrances and ...
by Dinsdale
Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:37 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?
Replies: 30
Views: 390

Re: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?

dharmacorps wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:23 pm
Thanissaro Bhikkhu I believe has said that ignorance in Buddhism isn't just not having access to accurate information...
The Vipallasa Sutta comes to mind.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
by Dinsdale
Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:26 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?
Replies: 30
Views: 390

Re: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?

https://suttacentral.net/sn56.17/en/bodhi “Bhikkhu, not knowing suffering, not knowing the origin of suffering, not knowing the cessation of suffering, not knowing the way leading to the cessation of suffering: this is called ignorance, bhikkhu, and it is in this way that one is immersed in ignoran...
by Dinsdale
Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:22 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?
Replies: 30
Views: 390

Re: Does the ignorance remove later or in the beginning ?

The Actuality is the ignorance should be abandoned in the beginning and IN LINE with the Cessation of the dependent origination orders . Though it appears that DO only ceases when ignorance has fully ceased. "Now from the remainderless fading & cessation of that very ignorance comes the cessation o...