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by Dinsdale
Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:59 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link
Replies: 69
Views: 672

Re: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link

James Tan wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:20 pm
The baby cannot think yet , but the physical body is reality . You are talking about psychological aspect of the human being .
Indeed. And this distinction ( bodily v. mental ) is present in the suttas.
by Dinsdale
Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:48 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Anapanasati - Step 7 and 8
Replies: 27
Views: 481

Re: Anapanasati - Step 7 and 8

Zom wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:22 am
And still, according to Buddha himself (MN 118), 4 anapanasti tetrads are 4 satipatthanas, and again, 4 satipatthanas are not steps .)
I think the four tetrads of anapanasati describe a progression, while the four frames of satipatthana can be practiced individually.
by Dinsdale
Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:43 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is it that take birth ?
Replies: 20
Views: 182

Re: What is it that take birth ?

"physical process" is a mental construction. chownah I don't understand why you keep making this argument, it's more like a philosophical position than anything based on the suttas. The suttas do distinguish between mental and physical ( bodily? ), eg in the classification of vedana. And then there...
by Dinsdale
Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:40 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is it that take birth ?
Replies: 20
Views: 182

Re: What is it that take birth ?

Bundokji wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:53 pm
Birth is finding being in becoming.
Sutta support please? You seem to be saying that "birth" is a purely mental event, but that is not what SN12.2 describes.
by Dinsdale
Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:37 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why SuttaCentral is so Feminist
Replies: 57
Views: 601

Re: Why SuttaCentral is so Feminist

Al forums have their idiosyncrasies. :tongue:
by Dinsdale
Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:32 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link
Replies: 69
Views: 672

Re: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link

I doubt that the meaning that all links in paticasamuppada is everything about Mental construction ! Some argue that interpretation, but I don't think it is well supported by the nidana "definitions" in SN12.2 and MN9. When you read those nidana descriptions there is actually quite a lot of form or...
by Dinsdale
Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:22 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link
Replies: 69
Views: 672

Re: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link

I don't understand what you mean by the "idea" of birth, since birth is just a fact of life, something we observe regularly in the human and natural world. Same for aging and death. Same as the idea of a "self", something we observe regularly in the human and natural world. "Just a fact of life" as...
by Dinsdale
Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:49 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is it that take birth ?
Replies: 20
Views: 182

Re: What is it that take birth ?

James Tan wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:10 am
Hello ,

In the paticasamuppada , the Jati link ie birth , referring to what exactly ? Is it birth of a physical body ? A thought take birth ? If it is a thought , it should be at or after sanna link .
SN12.2 clearly describes "birth" ( jati ) as a physical process.
by Dinsdale
Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:44 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link
Replies: 69
Views: 672

Re: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link

For there to be birth (jati), there must first be a being (bhava) to be born. In DO jati is clearly described as physical birth, so I don't understand this comment. Also "bhava" doesn't mean a "being". Being a person, man, lawyer, father, child, brother, an enlightened one etc. The idea of birth is...
by Dinsdale
Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:15 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link
Replies: 69
Views: 672

Re: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link

I doubt that the meaning that all links in paticasamuppada is everything about Mental construction ! Some argue that interpretation, but I don't think it is well supported by the nidana "definitions" in SN12.2 and MN9. When you read those nidana descriptions there is actually quite a lot of form or...
by Dinsdale
Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:13 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link
Replies: 69
Views: 672

Re: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link

My views are fully supported. Only in your own mind. You are continually trying to bang square pegs into round holes, and producing a mess. 2. SN 5.10 says a sattā is a "view" and a "convention" (rather than a meta-physical organism), as follows: It doesn't say that at all. SN5.10 is a teaching on ...
by Dinsdale
Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:34 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Is it okey to buy Meat in a foodstore and eat?
Replies: 49
Views: 741

Re: Is it okey to buy Meat in a foodstore and eat?

I would be interested to hear about the suffering of a half kilo of minced beef? If you choose to buy that minced beef then you are expecting somebody else to break the first precept, and do wrong livelihood. That looks like hypocrisy to me, it's rather like getting somebody else to steal stuff on ...
by Dinsdale
Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:31 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Is it okey to buy Meat in a foodstore and eat?
Replies: 49
Views: 741

Re: Is it okey to buy Meat in a foodstore and eat?

seeker242 wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:38 am
Not wanting to cause suffering for others is right view.
Exactly so. It is also developing the path factor of Right Intention.
by Dinsdale
Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:29 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link
Replies: 69
Views: 672

Re: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link

DooDoot wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:24 pm
I merely said the Pali word "jati" ("birth") does not necessary imply physical birth. ]
Perhaps, but it clearly does refer to physical birth in DO ( see SN12.2 ), and that is the key point here. Why do you continually obfuscate on this point?
by Dinsdale
Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:26 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link
Replies: 69
Views: 672

Re: Dependant Arising - 2nd Link

DooDoot wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:24 pm
Similarly, you have not provided evidence the Buddha in SN 12.2 referred to physical birth.
Nonsense. The nidana "definition" of birth in SN12.2 is clearly a physical one.