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by Dinsdale
Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:00 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 129
Views: 1387

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

your sequential translation is not in the actual pāli nor is there any distinction between two modes in the actual pāli Two modes of conditionality are described. They are differently phrased in both the original Pali, and in English translations. The first mode is contemporaneous ( B is present wh...
by Dinsdale
Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:01 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 129
Views: 1387

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

anyway the problem is that interpreting it sequentially explicitly contradicts line 3 & 4 as it would be equivalent to saying that one link can & does exist while the other does not, or that it can & does not exist while the other does. if you think that saṅkhārā arises after ignorance & not simult...
by Dinsdale
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:57 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 129
Views: 1387

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

dylanj wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:55 am
yes i know the difference. i have the whole quartet memorized in pali & english
So can you explain what you think the difference actually is between these two modes of conditionality?
by Dinsdale
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:55 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 129
Views: 1387

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

why would it take time for something to cease when its requisite condition ceases? if "when this is, this is" & "when this isn't, this isn't" is true of the two links then the moment one is, the other is, & the moment one isn't, the other isn't You are still missing the distinction between the two ...
by Dinsdale
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:53 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 129
Views: 1387

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

It's actually "when this arises, this arises". "imassuppādā idaṁ uppajjati", not "imassuppādā etaṁ uppajjati" there's nothing sequential here, in fact it's the opposite. "when", not "after". where there is one link there is the other. the only reason they go in order is to indicate the closeness of...
by Dinsdale
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:40 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 129
Views: 1387

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Could you elaborate on "simultaneous"? And how does this work with the conditionality mode of "When this arises, that arises", which involves a sequence over time? It's actually "when this arises, this arises". "imassuppādā idaṁ uppajjati", not "imassuppādā etaṁ uppajjati" there's nothing sequentia...
by Dinsdale
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:29 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 129
Views: 1387

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

dylanj wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:19 am
simultaneous, non-linear
Could you elaborate on "simultaneous"? And how does this work with the conditionality mode of "When this arises, that arises", which involves a sequence over time?
by Dinsdale
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:25 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is Nibbana cessation of being?
Replies: 33
Views: 1064

Re: Is Nibbana cessation of being?

being is defined in suttas by craving, delight Bhava ( existence or becoming in the three realms ) arises in dependence upon upādāna ( clinging ), which in turn arises in dependence upon tanha ( craving ). Cessation of tanha ( craving ) does not necessarily mean the simultaneous cessation of bhava ...
by Dinsdale
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:17 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 129
Views: 1387

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Circle5 wrote:
Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:58 am
So the idea that Buddha meant momentary arising and death of phenomena instead of physical birth and physical death is pretty ridiculous to any informed buddhist
I wouldn't say "ridiculous", just unsupported by what the suttas actually describe.
by Dinsdale
Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:13 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 129
Views: 1387

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

By making DO one life model only or moment-to-moment only; an ulterior motive could be to circumvent rebirth teachings (not saying that all who hold that view do that). I think it can be a factor, and the interpretation we personally prefer is not necessarily the one which is best supported by what...
by Dinsdale
Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:42 am
Forum: News, Current Events & Politics
Topic: What is Facebook?
Replies: 40
Views: 801

Re: What is Facebook?

Justsit wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:40 pm
Now it's confirmed that Big Brother really is watching. Facebook tracks you even if you’re not a user
When will Facebook become self-aware, and decide that humans are a pest to be got rid of? :tongue:
by Dinsdale
Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:10 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 129
Views: 1387

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

For example claiming that "birth" or "aging and death" should be understood in a momentary sense. “And what, bhikkhus, is aging-and-death? The aging of the various beings in the various orders of beings, their growing old, brokenness of teeth, greyness of hair, wrinkling of skin, decline of vitalit...
by Dinsdale
Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:06 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 129
Views: 1387

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Could we please add "multiple lives model" to the poll? As previously explained, I believe this is what the nidana "definitions" of becoming and birth actually support.
by Dinsdale
Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:06 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 129
Views: 1387

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

DNS wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:12 pm
And the Abhidhamma discusses momentary mental events in detail, which makes sense from our own analysis of thoughts and their fleeting nature.
I think there is reference to mind moments, but not to a moment-to-moment interpretation of DO.
by Dinsdale
Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:35 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Television non-watchers - have you noticed positive effects?
Replies: 28
Views: 862

Re: Television non-watchers - have you noticed positive effects?

Zom wrote:
Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:00 am
...I'd rather ask: "Internet non-users - have you noticed positive effects?" :lol:
And how about "I"Phone users, who often look like zombies? :tongue:
by Dinsdale
Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:25 am
Forum: Modern Interpretations
Topic: I did not write this post!!
Replies: 9
Views: 265

Re: I did not write this post!!

SarathW wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:55 am
When I read my old posts I wonder who wrote them.
That sounds like progress to me!
by Dinsdale
Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:10 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 129
Views: 1387

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Obviously, the 3 Lives model is not to be understood in this manner. All 12 links exist in every life, but the genius of the Buddha shows when he separates it out so that we see the entire process from 3 different perspectives - the Mechanical in the 1st life, the psycho-physical process in the 2nd...
by Dinsdale
Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:49 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suffering of others
Replies: 12
Views: 266

Re: Suffering of others

"Wishing: In gladness and in safety, May all beings be at ease. Whatever living beings there may be; Whether they are weak or strong, omitting none, The great or the mighty, medium, short or small, The seen and the unseen, Those living near and far away, Those born and to-be-born — May all beings be...
by Dinsdale
Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:47 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 129
Views: 1387

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

mikenz66 wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:08 am
Is multiple models an option? Even the ancient traditions (Theravada, Sarvastivada, etc) seem to have both a three-life and a moment to moment model.
Could you be more specific, Mike? Where exactly is support for the moment-to-moment interpretation to be found in these ancient traditions?
by Dinsdale
Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:46 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 129
Views: 1387

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

DNS wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:53 am
For a pretty good summary of the main views on DO; pros and cons, see:
http://www.leighb.com/deporg1.htm#2
Unfortunately he omits a "multiple lives" model, which IMO is what the nidana "definitions" actually support.