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by Spiny Norman
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:33 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: I'm trying to attain some inner peace here
Replies: 26
Views: 391

Re: I'm trying to attain some inner peace here

I've been doing that for months. One might think I would have improved a tad bit by now but nooooo. Hence the frustration. :( You might need to adjust your method. Where are you currently noticing the breath? Are your eyes open or shut? You could also consider trying a different meditation object. ...
by Spiny Norman
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:25 pm
Forum: Modern Interpretations
Topic: Master of mindfulness, Jon Kabat-Zinn
Replies: 50
Views: 549

Re: Master of mindfulness, Jon Kabat-Zinn

Kim OHara wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:54 am
Many non-Buddhists, like you, have arrived at Buddhism via MBSR - which is a good thing.
Many others have been helped by MBSR - which is a good thing - but not followed through to Buddhism - which is okay.
It seems like a win-win situation.
by Spiny Norman
Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:09 am
Forum: Discovering Theravāda
Topic: How to stop associating yourself with your thoughts?
Replies: 46
Views: 957

Re: How to stop associating yourself with your thoughts?

Right Effort, Right Intention and Right Concentration are skills to be developed. They aren't developed by mere will. I cannot simply decide to have Right Effort and Right Intention, but by constantly choosing wholesome conditions over unwholesome conditions (in order to know what is what there mus...
by Spiny Norman
Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:06 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1013

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

Nibbida seems to be a turning away from all experience. Why? Because all experience is unsatisfying and is dukkha. Nibbida is a condition for dispassion which in turn is a condition for release. So, returning to my original question, is this turning away from all experience present in the modern mi...
by Spiny Norman
Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:39 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Eating in a restaurant part 2
Replies: 59
Views: 542

Re: Eating in a restaurant part 2

So please explain what you think the correct understanding is here, practically speaking, using the example of a feeling of remorse. This has been repeatedly explained. A further example: Jack takes Jill's candy away for no reason. Jill cries. Jack feels remorse. (1) Helpful reaction by Jack: He fe...
by Spiny Norman
Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:45 am
Forum: Discovering Theravāda
Topic: How to stop associating yourself with your thoughts?
Replies: 46
Views: 957

Re: How to stop associating yourself with your thoughts?

The more I realize that I am not in charge, that I have no control, the more the process of dependent origination (here I'm not speaking of the 12-links but more of formations forming formations) becomes apparent and the notion of personality begins to fade away, because if it was me that is thinki...
by Spiny Norman
Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:33 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1013

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

Bhante, what you are referring to is not the same thing that Spiny put forth. Jhana is certainly helpful and leads to nibbida, etc. Spiny spoke of "suttas [in which] there is the idea of turning away from the conditioned, and towards the unconditioned." The sutta I cited is certainly an example of ...
by Spiny Norman
Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:26 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Eating in a restaurant part 2
Replies: 59
Views: 542

Re: Eating in a restaurant part 2

Perhaps not, but going "straight to anatta" with a feeling of remorse could well have that effect - effectively dismissing the remorse, rather than examining why it has arisen, and if one has done harm. It would have that effect only if one understands anatta incorrectly. It's like trying to go str...
by Spiny Norman
Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:25 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Eating in a restaurant part 2
Replies: 59
Views: 542

Re: Eating in a restaurant part 2

What I am saying is that for example if someone feels like they are being a hypocrite then they would benefit by examining how this feeling arose and what were the circumstances which led to its arising. In other words, one should not dismiss the feeling...one should study it...one thing to study i...
by Spiny Norman
Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:46 am
Forum: Modern Interpretations
Topic: Master of mindfulness, Jon Kabat-Zinn
Replies: 50
Views: 549

Re: Master of mindfulness, Jon Kabat-Zinn

Then the frame of reference of MBSR is confined to the body, rather than the four frames, body, feelings, mind and phenomena of classical mindfulness: Yes, I think the focus is primarily on mindfulness of the body, with the aim of being more in the present and less "in your head", with less thinkin...
by Spiny Norman
Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:39 am
Forum: Modern Interpretations
Topic: Master of mindfulness, Jon Kabat-Zinn
Replies: 50
Views: 549

Re: Master of mindfulness, Jon Kabat-Zinn

The objectives of MBSR are more limited - maybe, "to make us happier, without destroying our sense of individual self." Yes, that's been my experience of it, and the clue is the name - Mindfulness based stress reduction . I view MBSR basically as a therapy which employs some mindfulness techniques.
by Spiny Norman
Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:25 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Eating in a restaurant part 2
Replies: 59
Views: 542

Re: Eating in a restaurant part 2

Now you are saying that what I think and my understanding of what has been presented in this thread is something to be dismissed. No, I'm not saying that, and I wish you would drop the :strawman: and melodrama. You still haven't provided a coherent response to a valid question posed by Binocular po...
by Spiny Norman
Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:23 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Eating in a restaurant part 2
Replies: 59
Views: 542

Re: Eating in a restaurant part 2

Nobody is encouraging anybody to avoid personal responsibility. Perhaps not, but going "straight to anatta" with a feeling of remorse could well have that effect - effectively dismissing the remorse, rather than examining why it has arisen, and if one has done harm. It's like trying to go straight ...
by Spiny Norman
Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:38 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Eating in a restaurant part 2
Replies: 59
Views: 542

Re: Eating in a restaurant part 2

chownah wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:21 am
I don't know what all is meant by 'dismissing feelings' but it sounds alot like aversion to me....I guess....don't know for sure....I could be wrong....
chownah
It could well be aversion, for example not wanting to acknowledge a feeling of remorse when one has actually caused harm.
by Spiny Norman
Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:31 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Eating in a restaurant part 2
Replies: 59
Views: 542

Re: Eating in a restaurant part 2

chownah wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:04 pm
I think that somehow some people here think I am advising going to your average person on the street who is completely unaware of buddhism much less the anatta doctrine and advising them that their feelings are unimportant and just forget them.
:strawman:
Not what I've seen on this thread.
by Spiny Norman
Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:46 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Eating in a restaurant part 2
Replies: 59
Views: 542

Re: Eating in a restaurant part 2

... if you feel remorse it is best to view that feeling as not mine, not self, etc. Not sure this is always best. It may depend on the individual. For some, it may be important to feel the sting of remorse, recognize the consequences of one's wrong actions, and move in a more positive direction. Fo...
by Spiny Norman
Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:39 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Eating in a restaurant part 2
Replies: 59
Views: 542

Re: Eating in a restaurant part 2

binocular wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:51 am
Imagine a conversation like this:
Smith: I feel like such a hypocrite!
Jones: Oh, it's just a feeling, it's not who you are. Let it go.
And then what??
Further hyprocrisy. ;)
by Spiny Norman
Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:34 am
Forum: Discovering Theravāda
Topic: How to stop associating yourself with your thoughts?
Replies: 46
Views: 957

Re: How to stop associating yourself with your thoughts?

Saengnapha wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:31 am
They are not 'yours'. The habit of identification with them as a sign that there is a central agent that they belong to is revealed as false.
OK, but this seems like an intellectual understanding. How does one actually observe this non-ownership, practically speaking?
by Spiny Norman
Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:26 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness
Replies: 47
Views: 1013

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on the errors of modern mindfulness

Spiny, no doubt, the unconditioned may be there, but there is no mention of 'turning to the uncondtioned' in the practice of mindfulness as put forth in the Satipatthana Sutta. If the unconditioned were a 'thing', a 'state', we could turn to, it would not be unconditioned. Since the thread is about...
by Spiny Norman
Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:07 pm
Forum: Discovering Theravāda
Topic: How to stop associating yourself with your thoughts?
Replies: 46
Views: 957

Re: How to stop associating yourself with your thoughts?

I don't think it's something that you want to "root out". It comes back to mindfulness. Simply observe the rising and passing away of thoughts. If you can maintain the continuity of mindfulness, then the true nature of thoughts will reveal themselves. Then you will come to the realization that they...