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by Spiny Norman
Mon May 18, 2020 8:31 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 526
Views: 73128

Re: Jhana

Spiny wrote  It could just be a gradual opening to what is there, a feeling of connection to something bigger. A stillness, perhaps, something deeper. Maybe it's enough. You mean mystical?  and find it difficult to say it, a gradual opening? In buddhist liberation, a person experiences the world di...
by Spiny Norman
Mon May 18, 2020 7:41 pm
Forum: Suggestion box
Topic: Forum Problem?
Replies: 65
Views: 4473

Re: Forum Problem?

I have regular connection problems here, and often have to delete multiple posts.
by Spiny Norman
Mon May 18, 2020 7:19 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can feeling create craving ?
Replies: 17
Views: 689

Re: Can feeling create craving ?

SteRo wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 6:26 pm
DooDoot wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 8:37 am
Where as ignorance is not a requisite condition for consciousness because consciousness can exist without ignorance; ...
Funny guy.
:jumping:
by Spiny Norman
Mon May 18, 2020 7:13 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 526
Views: 73128

Re: Jhana

Spiny wrote We can always get around dependency, it depends upon the assumptions we make. :heart: an example of that assumption being? it has to be really powerful, like in 'Awakening' when all dependencies are lost. Is there any other assumption on your mind? Pl enlighten me. With love :candle: It...
by Spiny Norman
Mon May 18, 2020 6:43 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 526
Views: 73128

Re: Jhana

Spiny wrote That's why I prefer "awareness". :heart: Me too I prefer awareness, that is down to earth, but then awareness too is dependent. So we cannot get around the dependency issue by christening it with a new name. In the world of the Buddha everything related to samsara is dependent. With lov...
by Spiny Norman
Mon May 18, 2020 6:11 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The goal of Buddhism
Replies: 25
Views: 777

Re: The goal of Buddhism

Bundokji wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 5:06 pm
Faith
In what, and in which school?
by Spiny Norman
Mon May 18, 2020 5:14 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 526
Views: 73128

Re: Jhana

Pulsar wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 4:49 pm
Spiny wrote
If consciousness arises as a dependency, how can it be independent?'
No one said it is independent.
With love :candle:
That's why I prefer "awareness".
:heart:
by Spiny Norman
Mon May 18, 2020 4:55 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The goal of Buddhism
Replies: 25
Views: 777

Re: The goal of Buddhism

The goal of Buddhism is not to be born in the future. Which Buddhism are you talking about? There are many schools, and sub-schools. In dammacakkapavattana Lord Budda claims: that for Lord Budda there will be no more becoming and this is my last birth. Hence if one expressed that the goal of Buddhi...
by Spiny Norman
Mon May 18, 2020 4:16 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 526
Views: 73128

Re: Jhana

Spiny wrote  Interesting stuff, as always, and I admire your thoroughness, and attention to detail. I'm quite sciency myself. As a general observation, I find the whole "consciousness" thing problematic, and not just in Buddhism. It seems like a can of worms. I prefer a term like "awareness", which...
by Spiny Norman
Mon May 18, 2020 2:57 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The goal of Buddhism
Replies: 25
Views: 777

Re: The goal of Buddhism

Chat2enlighten wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 12:16 am
The goal of Buddhism is not to be born in the future.
Which Buddhism are you talking about? There are many schools, and sub-schools.
by Spiny Norman
Mon May 18, 2020 2:21 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 526
Views: 73128

Re: Jhana

Spiny wrote So what is the "pesky consciousness" we're trying to get rid of, in your view? Or is it really not about consciousness at all, just trying to get rid of craving and aversion? It is that consciousness that finds a home in rupa, vedana and sanna. Arahant's consciousness is made homeless o...
by Spiny Norman
Mon May 18, 2020 9:29 am
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: momentariness and experiential understanding
Replies: 19
Views: 1428

Re: momentariness and experiential understanding

Probably heretical in terms of the Abhidhamma, but my experience of attention is like a torch beam which moves around, "illuminating" different sense-objects at different times. And as with the light scatter from a torch beam, there is generally a peripheral awareness outside the current focus. I gu...
by Spiny Norman
Mon May 18, 2020 5:47 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 526
Views: 73128

Re: Jhana

Spiny Norman wrote  So Buddha taught the way to the cessation of consciousness, and yet the Arahant is presumably not unconscious. How do you explain this conundrum? Dear Spiny, I appreciate your question. In order to understand this transformation, buddhists need to understand what Buddha meant by...
by Spiny Norman
Sun May 17, 2020 10:14 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The meaning of samudaya
Replies: 15
Views: 508

The meaning of samudaya

This came up in another thread. I think samudaya means dependent origination, as applied to the Second Truth and to DO. So the DO suttas in SN12 describe one nidana arising in dependence upon the previous one. For example, feeling originates from contact, which means that feeling aries in dependence...
by Spiny Norman
Sun May 17, 2020 8:07 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 526
Views: 73128

Re: Jhana

So Buddha taught the way to the cessation of consciousness, and yet the Arahant is presumably not unconscious. How do you explain this conundrum? The straightforward interpretation (which is just standard Theravada - see any text on the progress of insight, such as the Visuddhimagga or the Comprehe...