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by Dinsdale
Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:17 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does the consciousness experience nibbana ?
Replies: 40
Views: 383

Re: Does the consciousness experience nibbana ?

Consciousness without feature, without end, luminous all around Nibbana is not viññāṇa. Really, it just isn’t. K those who dwell touching the deathless element with the body. Cunda Sutta Does the Cunda Sutta say that? https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn47/sn47.013.than.html As a general ...
by Dinsdale
Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:00 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does the consciousness experience nibbana ?
Replies: 40
Views: 383

Re: Does the consciousness experience nibbana ?

fruition consciousness (phalacitta) have nibbāna as their object. That is incomprehensible . How can the consciousness which is conditioned have the unconditioned as it object ? Maybe it's like living near a mountain. The mountain is always there, but you're not continuously looking at it. It depen...
by Dinsdale
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:51 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does the consciousness experience nibbana ?
Replies: 40
Views: 383

Re: Does the consciousness experience nibbana ?

sentinel wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:42 pm
Nwad wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:32 pm


Nibbana element . By taking Nibbana element as mind-object,

:anjali:
Nibbana as element , an element that is not same as four elements ?
Nibbana is sometimes referred to as an element (dhatu), which can have a broader meaning than the four great elements.
by Dinsdale
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:29 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: How does the exterior is suffering?
Replies: 8
Views: 68

Re: How does the exterior is suffering?

I understand all except that eye etc and its objects are suffering. This means: they cause suffering. When something is visible, audible, etc. causes unpleasant feelings. According to this Sutta mind and the mind objects are also suffering! I think it's just saying that experience is unsatisfactory...
by Dinsdale
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:25 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: How does the exterior is suffering?
Replies: 8
Views: 68

Re: How does the exterior is suffering?

Sam Vara wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:40 pm
Might "unsatisfactory" be a better translation of Dukkha here?
Yes. For example ice-cream is unsatisfactory, because it melts, and can make you fat when consumed regularly. :D
by Dinsdale
Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:28 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Jhana
Replies: 139
Views: 2354

Re: Jhana

There are fairly objective ways to weed out states that are definitely not jhana. For example, if at least one of the obstacles arises, then it is not jhana, if there are no jhana factors, then it is not jhana. Yes. Presence of the jhana factors, and absence of the hindrances. That's probably about...
by Dinsdale
Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:28 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: The 6th precept
Replies: 3
Views: 91

Re: The 6th precept

Previous discussion here:
viewtopic.php?f=42&t=25495&start=15
by Dinsdale
Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:47 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?
Replies: 38
Views: 385

Re: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?

See AN3.47 https://suttacentral.net/an3.47/en/bodhi ” No arising is seen, no vanishing is seen, and no alteration while it persists is seen. These are the three characteristics that define the unconditioned.” Can you explain , while it persists is seen ? What persists ? What is seen here is the unc...
by Dinsdale
Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:18 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is the destination of the people who get Buddha's teachings wrong?
Replies: 67
Views: 820

Re: What is the destination of the people who get Buddha's teachings wrong?

The question is before that how do you know you get the teachings completely right ? Thinking of the Kalama Sutta, you could assess whether your application of Dhamma principles is leading to wholesome results, and progress in the right direction. Though of course that requires an understanding of ...
by Dinsdale
Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:27 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?
Replies: 38
Views: 385

Re: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?

MN44 says it's the 8-fold path which is conditioned. Presumably to distinguish it from Nibbana, which is unconditioned. In which case you'd need to first understand what "unconditioned" means here. Unconditioned meaning ? Only description as far as I understand about nibbana . Conditioned thing can...
by Dinsdale
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:14 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Aiming for a fortunate rebirth
Replies: 7
Views: 106

Re: Aiming for a fortunate rebirth

I did a search on Sutta Central for "fortunate rebirth" and only got one result:
https://suttacentral.net/search?query=% ... rebirth%22

So maybe it isn't a big thing in the suttas. The suttas seem more concerned with ways of avoiding an unfortunate rebirth.
by Dinsdale
Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:49 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?
Replies: 38
Views: 385

Re: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?

Just like there're different zoom levels: bird's-eye view, close-up view, microscopic view, etc., the Dhamma also provides various "zoom" layers from large to more fine-grained. The 4NT is actually sort of a more close-up view already. From a higher level, it's equally valid to say that just penetr...
by Dinsdale
Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:34 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Aiming for a fortunate rebirth
Replies: 7
Views: 106

Re: Aiming for a fortunate rebirth

MN60 gives a more nuanced account.

https://suttacentral.net/mn60/en/sujato
by Dinsdale
Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:23 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?
Replies: 38
Views: 385

Re: Did the Buddha teach anything other than four noble truths?

So , the text says four noble truth is Sankhata means dependent on conditions referring to phenomena ? Not dependent origination sankhara , which is fabricated by thought ? MN44 says it's the 8-fold path which is conditioned. Presumably to distinguish it from Nibbana, which is unconditioned. In whi...
by Dinsdale
Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:05 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Meditation Objects
Replies: 3
Views: 68

Re: Meditation Objects

form wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:40 am
I like to use different objects, even switching around in a single session. But more than half the time I use breath.

Do we need to master all the objects to have full benefits?
Could you give some examples of the other objects you're using?