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by Ceisiwr
Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:04 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6206
Views: 575144

Re: the great rebirth debate

They lead to further clinging, which is true. That doesn’t mean that such a view is false nor that it isn’t a beneficial view. It actually is a "false view" not in terms of morality but in terms of anatta & Nibbana. The belief in "my good kamma" is a false view from the perspective of Nibbana but n...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:59 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6206
Views: 575144

Re: the great rebirth debate

Rebirth and kamma are basic views which if one sticks at this level leads ultimately to dukkha. Appears not so according to MN 117, which says "kamma" is a doctrine of asava (corruptions) & acquisitions (upadhi) yet sides with "merit". SN 12.19 says "meritorious" formations must end for Nibbana. AN...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:56 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6206
Views: 575144

Re: the great rebirth debate

Are you declaring direct knowledge of paṭiccasamuppāda? It seems that the path is difficult and long, although that could just be true for me. The path is not long for men who have discerned how wrong sexual conduct harms women. When a man discerns what is right sexual conduct towards women, his se...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:54 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6206
Views: 575144

Re: the great rebirth debate

““Bhikkhu, ‘I am’ is a conceiving; ‘I am this’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall not be’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be possessed of form’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be formless’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be percipient’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be non-percipient’ is a conceiving;...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:48 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6206
Views: 575144

Re: the great rebirth debate

I mean relative truth is that post death there is rebirth, enlightened truth is that the process is empty of self or anything belonging to a self. That higher fact doesn’t negate the process continuing past death. You argument seems to be that because on a higher truth the aggregates are empty of se...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:40 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6206
Views: 575144

Re: the great rebirth debate

I thank you for your courtesy but you have nothing to fear. I rarely get offended. I am not being courteous to you. I am pointing out the Dependent Origination possibly currently arising in your mind. Your mind is probably producing (abhinibbatti) views of beings (sattānaṃ) within categories of bei...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:39 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: What are the Karmic Effects of Lying?
Replies: 20
Views: 287

Re: What are the Karmic Effects of Lying?

You are asking something that we cannot know directly yet (I assume). From my knowledge of the suttas lying = bad kamma, so you will suffer for it although the severity can vary. My advice would to be acknowledge what happened, reflect upon the bad kamma and be mindful so you can bare the results wi...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:33 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6206
Views: 575144

Re: the great rebirth debate

Are you declaring direct knowledge of paṭiccasamuppāda? It seems that the path is difficult and long, although that could just be true for me. Again, illogical contradictory statement saying: 1. I cannot have direct knowledge of paṭiccasamuppāda. 2. Yet you know what paṭiccasamuppāda is. :coffee: I...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:31 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6206
Views: 575144

Re: the great rebirth debate

DooDoot


I thank you for your courtesy but you have nothing to fear. I rarely get offended.
by Ceisiwr
Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:28 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6206
Views: 575144

Re: the great rebirth debate

Are you declaring direct knowledge of paṭiccasamuppāda? It seems that the path is difficult and long, although that could just be true for me. Why would the Buddha stress that paṭiccasamuppāda occurs through incalculable lengths of time and why would he confirm the views of village folk and others w...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:49 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Where is the line between Buddhism and Dhamma?
Replies: 38
Views: 608

Re: Where is the line between Buddhism and Dhamma?

The Dhamma is found in the suttas and the present moment. All the rest is commentary and interpretation.
by Ceisiwr
Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:32 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6206
Views: 575144

Re: the great rebirth debate

DooDoot

No, and I don’t think the Buddha speculated either. He had direct knowledge which, as far as I can tell, included endless paṭiccasamuppāda unless there is Nibbana.
by Ceisiwr
Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:58 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6206
Views: 575144

Re: the great rebirth debate

I think it’s also worth noting that materialism and scepticism were known during the Buddha’s time and each had their own followers. We know that materialism was adopted by a fair few Indians due to the ferocity of the attacks against Carvaka. If the Buddha wanted to teach the Dhamma without rebirth...
by Ceisiwr
Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:45 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great rebirth debate
Replies: 6206
Views: 575144

Re: the great rebirth debate

connotation .... From Wikipedia Yes... "connotation" or "speculation". But suttas such as SN 22.99 appears to literally say "samsara" is "circling" or "cycling" around the same set of aggregates. " Just as a dog, tied by a leash to a post or stake, keeps running around and circling around that very...
by Ceisiwr
Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The suffering of others
Replies: 28
Views: 387

Re: The suffering of others

Because I haven’t even reached stream entry I do suffer when my loved ones are suffering. What I do is try to use that pain to understand the Dhamma and further my practice. The suffering experienced can be a source of joy which can aid one’s path.