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by Ceisiwr
Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:07 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct
Replies: 96
Views: 4505

Re: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct

Yes but what the Buddha taught is not Indian cultural norms. Correct. Muhammad and Olivia are London's most popular baby names. Muhammad and Olivia are the most popular baby names in London according to the Office for National Statistics. In 2017 760 baby boys were given the name Muhammad and 671 b...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:49 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct
Replies: 96
Views: 4505

Re: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct

Dhamma is timeless. Correct. Indian cultural norms are not. Plus there is no such thing as "European cultural norms". Today, Europe is strongly culturally divided. Monogamy is, and now gay marriage is becoming the new cultural norm. The nonsensical nature of the above idea would be similar to sayin...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:38 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct
Replies: 96
Views: 4505

Re: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct

mod note: This topic is leaning into politics a little too much. However, for now I am inclined to let it go as the protagonists are both referencing Buddhist texts and precedents. And the arguments are, I think, of interest to Buddhists in general. Please keep up the general tone of polite debate ...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:37 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct
Replies: 96
Views: 4505

Re: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct

Sheer unsubstantiated nonsense. Like Jesus, the Buddha would have revised many social norms. But, with his Divine Eye or Eye of God, the Buddha knew this social norm of arranged marriages was the best possible norm in an imperfect moral world. With his understanding of how society worked at the tim...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:16 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct
Replies: 96
Views: 4505

Re: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct

Again, you are mixing things up. You don't say: "Today they can be expressed in heterosexual monogamous marriages or homosexual co-habitation." I've quite clearly said in either throughout this. Sorry. The Buddha never ever said what you are imputing. I said many times but you ignore the reality th...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:35 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct
Replies: 96
Views: 4505

Re: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct

Just to be clear, I’m not advocating for sexual hedonism. For homosexuals I would advocate entering into long term, committed and monogamous relationships with no cheating or abuse of each other. The same for heterosexuals. For either I think that can take the form of official marriage or co-habitat...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:05 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct
Replies: 96
Views: 4505

Re: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct

But there is. The suttas only refer to wholesome sex within marriage. It does not matter what non-Dhamma Western, Liberal, Cultural Marxist, LBGQT, etc, arguments you make. The Dhamma is "timeless" ("akaliko") and only refers to wholesome sex with marriage. This is what the suttas literally say. Th...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:57 am
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct
Replies: 96
Views: 4505

Re: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct

Oh dear. I trust DN 31 says the family being the bedrock of society. DN 16 literally says not removing girls/women from the "protection" of their families it is the bedrock of society: "What have you heard, Ananda: do the Vajjis refrain from abducting women and maidens of good families and from det...
by Ceisiwr
Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:52 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct
Replies: 96
Views: 4505

Re: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct

Not at all. The sutta describes the moral power of holistically viewing women as "wives" of certain men in society. The sutta describes the extended family unit. Yes, but the sutta isn't making a claim about the family being the bedrock of society. Its about shame and incest. Not in my opinion. Of ...
by Ceisiwr
Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:31 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Sex is always unwholesome
Replies: 11
Views: 257

Re: Sex is always unwholesome

Why do you think it means that some sex is wholesome? Because the virtuous puthujjana is not predisposed to attain the non-sensual pleasure of jhana therefore the virtuous puthujjana develops the virtues of parenthood. Do you think a person can be a good parent without developing selfless virtues? ...
by Ceisiwr
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:01 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct
Replies: 96
Views: 4505

Re: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct

In DN 31, the Buddha taught about the six directions of society, which included "husbands & wives" and not heterosexual couples living in sin nor included any kind of homosexual relationship. As I originally posted, I imagine the Buddha would say unmarried so-called committed couples have a distort...
by Ceisiwr
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:55 pm
Forum: Sīla
Topic: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct
Replies: 96
Views: 4505

Re: Theravada and Sex: Sexual Misconduct

60+ years ago, when children grew up with the only sexual option of becoming a wife, husband, father, mother, etc, similar to their parents, life was very unconfusing. How society was structured and perceived was very unconfusing. When married partners saw their primary role to be parents, they wer...
by Ceisiwr
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:34 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Sex is always unwholesome
Replies: 11
Views: 257

Re: Sex is always unwholesome

Why do you think it means that some sex is wholesome?
by Ceisiwr
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:31 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Sex is always unwholesome
Replies: 11
Views: 257

Re: Sex is always unwholesome

That doesn’t mean sex is wholesome. Why not? :shrug: The sutta is advising the Brahmin a way of having sex that minimises sensual pleasure, but it’s still engaging in sensual pleasure (as he is still having sex). It’s the same as keeping the 5 precepts. Keeping the 5 precepts doesn’t mean the lay p...
by Ceisiwr
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:25 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Sex is always unwholesome
Replies: 11
Views: 257

Re: Sex is always unwholesome

And how does a brahmin toe the line ? And why does the brahmin not have sex outside the fertile half of the month that starts with menstruation? Because his brahmin wife is not there for sensual pleasure, fun, and enjoyment, but only for procreation . Having ensured his progeny through sex, his chi...