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by DooDoot
Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:07 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Sutta where the Buddha declares that everything is dependently originated?
Replies: 42
Views: 736

Re: Sutta where the Buddha declares that everything is dependently originated?

Nagarjuna's commentary is in sanskrit not pali but I do neither understand sanskrit nor pali, so I have to rely on the expertise of English translators. And if these use "dependent arising" in some contexts but "dependent origination" in other contexts and the two contexts can be identified then I ...
by DooDoot
Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:48 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: Four Satipathana is about the mind arising in the body?
Replies: 17
Views: 244

Re: Four Satipathana is about the mind arising in the body?

Anapanasati alone ain't going to liberate your self . Obviously the above is wrong or mythology. MN 118 says: Mindfulness of in-&-out breathing is developed & pursued so as to bring the four frames of reference to their culmination. The four frames of reference developed & pursued bring the seven f...
by DooDoot
Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:12 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can we include states of derprivation (Apaya) in sensuous world (Kama loka)?
Replies: 2
Views: 82

Re: Can we include states of derprivation (Apaya) in sensuous world (Kama loka)?

Can we include states of derprivation (Apaya) in sensuous world (Kama loka)? Maybe no. For example, "jhana" is the world of "form" ("rupa") yet puthujjana who believe they personally attain jhana can be reborn in hell, as follows: There is the case where an individual, withdrawn from sensuality, wi...
by DooDoot
Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:10 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Why state of deprivation is not mentioned in Bhava Sutta?
Replies: 13
Views: 157

Re: Why state of deprivation is not mentioned in Bhava Sutta?

SarathW wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:08 am
Thanks DD
I created another topic so Admin can lock this thread.

viewtopic.php?p=537247#p537247
You mean this topic: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=35907
by DooDoot
Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:00 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Why state of deprivation is not mentioned in Bhava Sutta?
Replies: 13
Views: 157

Re: Why state of deprivation is not mentioned in Bhava Sutta?

Could you lock this thread please? The sensual world is defined as follows: These five strings of sensuality. Which five? Forms cognizable via the eye — agreeable, pleasing, charming, endearing, fostering desire, enticing. Sounds cognizable via the ear... Aromas cognizable via the nose... Flavors c...
by DooDoot
Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:52 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Why state of deprivation is not mentioned in Bhava Sutta?
Replies: 13
Views: 157

Re: Why state of deprivation is not mentioned in Bhava Sutta?

The state of deprivation also a part of sensuous world. Yes & no. The state of deprivation is related to the sensuous world but occurs after the sensuous world. For example, you fall in love with a beautiful lady. This is the sensuous world. Then the beautiful lady leaves you for another man, this ...
by DooDoot
Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:47 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Why state of deprivation is not mentioned in Bhava Sutta?
Replies: 13
Views: 157

Re: Why state of deprivation is not mentioned in Bhava Sutta?

I found it is easier to search Access to insight than the Sutta Central. The link appear not related to "becoming". Similar to Ven. Sujato, you appear to believe "bhava" means "rebirth". The link says: Scattered throughout the suttas are references to as many as thirty-one distinct "planes" or "rea...
by DooDoot
Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:19 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Why state of deprivation is not mentioned in Bhava Sutta?
Replies: 13
Views: 157

Re: Why state of deprivation is not mentioned in Bhava Sutta?

Sorry I do not understand you. Do you mean you do not understand the suttas quoted? The question is why Bhava Sutta mentioned only three major categories, sensual becoming, Form becoming and formless becoming but not the state of deprivation. I already answered this question using the suttas. "Deat...
by DooDoot
Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:14 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Becoming in Dependant Origination
Replies: 8
Views: 141

Re: Becoming in Dependant Origination

Can someone explain the Becoming stage of Dependant Origination From 12.2: And what is becoming? These three are becomings: sensual becoming, form becoming & formless becoming. This is called becoming. From MN 44: The craving that makes for further becoming — accompanied by passion & delight, relis...
by DooDoot
Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:50 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Why state of deprivation is not mentioned in Bhava Sutta?
Replies: 13
Views: 157

Re: Why state of deprivation is not mentioned in Bhava Sutta?

Because the Bhava Sutta is not about "re-birth". To be "re-born", 1st "death" must occur, as follows: 'These beings — who were endowed with bad conduct of body, speech & mind, who reviled noble ones :shock: , held wrong views :shock: and undertook actions under the influence of wrong views — with th...
by DooDoot
Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:26 am
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: Four Satipathana is about the mind arising in the body?
Replies: 17
Views: 244

Re: Four Satipathana is about the mind arising in the body?

SarathW wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:44 pm
OK. What does the Buddha mean?
if you complete Anapanasati practice you complete Satipatthana practice.
by DooDoot
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:56 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Canonical reference that arahants were/are doctors, firefighters, politicians, etc.?
Replies: 23
Views: 305

Re: Canonical reference that arahants were/are doctors, firefighters, politicians, etc.?

was simply appalling. Possibly Buddhism can be practised to avoid such an emotional response to a perfectly valid comparison I made. Since your own citation makes it clear that only making a living off medical treatment is forbidden, NOT giving treatment, it would seem that the common Sri Lankan in...
by DooDoot
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:48 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Is classical Theravada mostly proven false by Nagarjuna?
Replies: 50
Views: 907

Re: Is classical Theravada mostly proven false by Nagarjuna?

Both Kalupahana and Murthi cite numerous sutta passages to make this clear. You keep posting the above but do not post the above arguments of Kalupahana and Murthi for critique. Robinson and Hayes demonstrated the invalidity of Nagarjuna's arguments, particularly in relation to abhidharma, thus pro...
by DooDoot
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:44 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Canonical reference that arahants were/are doctors, firefighters, politicians, etc.?
Replies: 23
Views: 305

Re: Canonical reference that arahants were/are doctors, firefighters, politicians, etc.?

Whereas some contemplatives & brahmans, living off food given in faith, maintain themselves by wrong livelihood, by such "animal" arts as [forecasting]: there will be abundant rain; there will be a drought; there will be plenty; there will be famine ; there will be rest and security; there will be ...