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by DooDoot
Fri May 25, 2018 4:39 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why vibhava is a type of bhava in Dependent Origination?
Replies: 13
Views: 136

Re: Why vibhava is a type of bhava in Dependent Origination?

So, Vibhava group under craving in the DO ? Another example is the vibhava-tanha of wanting to commit suicide. In my current newly formed opinion, the tanha at the 8th link is aversion to the feeling ( vedana ). The 8th link is not the vibhava tanha for suiciding the self. 1. Unpleasant feeling ari...
by DooDoot
Fri May 25, 2018 4:30 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Doubt, Dhamma and the Middle Way
Replies: 6
Views: 45

Re: Doubt, Dhamma and the Middle Way

DooDoot wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 4:22 am
Possibly MN 95 is not referred to accurately in this thread.
I am not intimately familiar with the sutta therefore I'll have to read it, at a later time. But my Dhamma-Radar rang a warning bell. :)
by DooDoot
Fri May 25, 2018 4:22 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Doubt, Dhamma and the Middle Way
Replies: 6
Views: 45

Re: Doubt, Dhamma and the Middle Way

Possibly MN 95 is not referred to accurately in this thread.
by DooDoot
Fri May 25, 2018 3:47 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is the difference between Bhavanirodha and Vibhava?
Replies: 7
Views: 89

Re: What is the difference between Bhavanirodha and Vibhava?

SarathW wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 2:44 am
Is this similar to Atta and Anatta?
SN 44.10
by DooDoot
Fri May 25, 2018 3:36 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why vibhava is a type of bhava in Dependent Origination?
Replies: 13
Views: 136

Re: Why vibhava is a type of bhava in Dependent Origination?

So, Vibhava group under craving in the DO ? Not under ignorant as a view ? Bhava and vibhava tanha is not written in SN 12.2 because, imo, bhava happens after tanha. SN 12.2 describes craving for sense contacts because sense contacts happen before craving. Bhava & vibhava tanha is mentioned in 2nd ...
by DooDoot
Fri May 25, 2018 3:30 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why vibhava is a type of bhava in Dependent Origination?
Replies: 13
Views: 136

Re: Why vibhava is a type of bhava in Dependent Origination?

Can you explain why vibhava is translated as Not being ? What is Not being ? Is it a type of bhava in Dependent Origination ? Vibhava-tanha is a desire not to exist; such as the desire to commit suicide. I would translate "vibhava-tanha" is as "craving-not-to-be". For example, if you are a woman bu...
by DooDoot
Fri May 25, 2018 2:52 am
Forum: News, Current Events & Politics
Topic: POTUS 2017
Replies: 546
Views: 24005

Re: POTUS 2017

How true is what Chomsky is saying about Trump? :shrug: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQvig0KvUaE' Trump signs the biggest rollback of bank rules since the financial crisis CNBC · 10 hours ago President Trump claimed he has “ended the war on beautiful clean coal.” Washington Post January 31 by Chr...
by DooDoot
Fri May 25, 2018 2:36 am
Forum: News, Current Events & Politics
Topic: POTUS 2017
Replies: 546
Views: 24005

Re: POTUS 2017

The left-wing regime of Obama (black/white man), Hillary (white woman) and Susan Rice (black woman) delighted in destroying a nation; which included destroying the lives of people; contrary to the Buddhist teaching. Economic statistics are related to the welfare of a nation. https://imgur.com/a/oZHK...
by DooDoot
Fri May 25, 2018 2:19 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why vibhava is a type of bhava in Dependent Origination?
Replies: 13
Views: 136

Re: Why vibhava is a type of bhava in Dependent Origination?

Vibhava tanha is, obviously, connected with uccheda views (annihilationism) which are still wrong views, though superior to other views. The key here is that annihilationist view is still a self-view (sakkaya-ditthi), and self-view still leads to existence. Since I was mentioned in the OP, I agree ...
by DooDoot
Fri May 25, 2018 1:45 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is the difference between Bhavanirodha and Vibhava?
Replies: 7
Views: 89

Re: What is the difference between Bhavanirodha and Vibhava?

kaccayanagotta sutta kaccayanagotta sutta does not mention vibhava. buddha did not teach in english vibhava is nonexistence which is a deluded extreme polar to existence. I think vibhava is well-described below: Kathañca, bhikkhave, atidhāvanti eke? Bhave neva kho paneke aṭṭīyamānā harāyamānā jiguc...
by DooDoot
Thu May 24, 2018 12:18 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is the difference between Tanha and Upadana?
Replies: 32
Views: 381

Re: What is the difference between Tanha and Upadana?

Vibhava translate as non becoming or extermination becoming ? Why Not Formless becoming ? It appears the mind can cling to formlessness, which is becoming, as follows: If there were no kamma ripening in the formless-property , would formless-becoming be discerned? No, lord. Thus kamma is the field,...
by DooDoot
Thu May 24, 2018 11:54 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: What does "sensual desire" mean in the suttas?
Replies: 1
Views: 63

What does "sensual desire" mean in the suttas?

Dear Dhamma forum MN 64 includes the following teaching about a little baby: Daharassa hi, mālukyaputta, kumārassa mandassa uttānaseyyakassa kāmātipi na hoti, kuto panassa uppajjissati kāmesu kāmacchando ? Anusetvevassa kāmarāgā nusayo . A little baby doesn’t even have a concept of ‘sensual pleasure...
by DooDoot
Thu May 24, 2018 9:04 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is the difference between Tanha and Upadana?
Replies: 32
Views: 381

Re: What is the difference between Tanha and Upadana?

Fair enough but I create a new topic. Its not fair enough because you falsely accused a person of being incorrect & being a liar. What is fair enough is you make a confession to the Triple Gem. Its evening time here. You should know the evening Pali chanting where confession is made at the end of e...
by DooDoot
Thu May 24, 2018 8:51 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is the difference between Tanha and Upadana?
Replies: 32
Views: 381

Re: What is the difference between Tanha and Upadana?

This is incorrect. How can you include Vibhava (Nibbana) in DO? Vibhava is not Nibbana according to the Pali suttas. Since you appear to have no faith in those sincerely interested in the truth & study, maybe ask a bhikkhu, such as Venerable Dhammanando or Sujato, so you can believe the monk with b...
by DooDoot
Thu May 24, 2018 8:26 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is the difference between Tanha and Upadana?
Replies: 32
Views: 381

Re: What is the difference between Tanha and Upadana?

From Form becoming and Formless becoming Change to Becoming and Non becoming , Can you explain why ? I provided my personal opinion that: 1. Four Noble Truths was a brief introductory teaching therefore the 2nd noble truth summaries Dependent Origination in the most general way. The Four Truths was...
by DooDoot
Thu May 24, 2018 6:01 am
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"
Replies: 20
Views: 130

Re: Seeking scriptural source for "all defilements temporarily suppressed when in jhana"

The "suppressed" word is a translation issue. My impression is suppression is an idea from using mental force to push down defilements (rather than using wisdom to dissolve defilements). Bhikkhus, when a bhikkhu is giving attention to some sign, and owing to that sign there arise in him evil unwhol...
by DooDoot
Thu May 24, 2018 5:43 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is the difference between Tanha and Upadana?
Replies: 32
Views: 381

Re: What is the difference between Tanha and Upadana?

What is the difference between Tanha and Upadana? In my opinion, the difference between Tanha and Upadana is: 1. Tanha is not thinking. Tanha is the urge, push & pull energy of defilement ( kilesa ) towards or away from a sense-object that is felt. Craving is agitation but not yet suffering. For ex...
by DooDoot
Thu May 24, 2018 5:30 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Could Tanha lead to Bhava?
Replies: 2
Views: 52

Re: Could Tanha lead to Bhava?

For further discussion please see: https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=31948 SW. Are you asking this question about the difference between Tanha and Upadana because you genuinely don't know the answer? Or are you asking this question to generate discussion? Could Tanha lead to Bhava? The 2...
by DooDoot
Thu May 24, 2018 5:01 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is the difference between Tanha and Upadana?
Replies: 32
Views: 381

Re: What is the difference between Tanha and Upadana?

He quote: And this, monks, is the noble truth of the origination of stress: the craving that makes for further becoming... SN 56.11 But he avoid to quote the previous text : dukkha ariya·sacca ... five upādāna 'k'khandhas are dukkha. He lie :( you, he cut tipitaka context off, to make you confuse ....