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by mikenz66
Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:03 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam. General Theravada Version.
Replies: 20
Views: 282

Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam. General Theravada Version.

I'm a great admirer of Bhante Sujato, but I find his argument unconvincing. However I appreciate what appears to be his motivation (avoiding eternalism). I prefer Sylvester's analysis here : Bhante Sujato points out that one should read the DN 11 passage in context and realise that it it talking ab...
by mikenz66
Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:57 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam. General Theravada Version.
Replies: 20
Views: 282

Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam. General Theravada Version.

I skimmed thru Sujato's work ... I also noticed that he works exclusively with Ven. Bodhi's translation of Vinnana Anidassanam which is "Vinnana non-manifesting" ... Actually he translates it himself here: “Consciousness that’s invisible ‘Viññāṇaṃ anidassanaṃ https://suttacentral.net/dn11/en/sujato...
by mikenz66
Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:42 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam. General Theravada Version.
Replies: 20
Views: 282

Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam

i am more concerned with logical deduction than the particular wording of a translation.... Well, the analysis IS about logical deduction. Bhante Sujato points out that one should read the DN 11 passage in context and realise that it it talking about two different things: "no footing" and "cessatio...
by mikenz66
Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam. General Theravada Version.
Replies: 20
Views: 282

Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam

DN11; ... You might like to read Bhante Sujato's analysis here: https://sujato.wordpress.com/2011/05/13/vinna%E1%B9%87a-is-not-nibbana-really-it-just-isn%E2%80%99t/ Here is the passage in question: https://suttacentral.net/dn11/en/sujato#85.8 Here is the conclusion: It is simpler and more natural t...
by mikenz66
Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:44 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Vinnanam Anidassanam. Classical Version.
Replies: 23
Views: 361

Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam

Non-Classical discussion split to here so that it can be discussed more fully:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=31743

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Mike
by mikenz66
Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:59 pm
Forum: News, Current Events & Politics
Topic: Bikkhu Bodhi on nature as the support on this plane:
Replies: 5
Views: 143

Re: Bikkhu Bodhi on nature as the support on this plane:

Hi Paul, I'm not sure exactly what your point is here: "Yet it is just within this fathom-long body, with its perception & intellect, that I declare that there is the cosmos, the origination of the cosmos, the cessation of the cosmos, and the path of practice leading to the cessation of the cosmos."...
by mikenz66
Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:40 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: vinaya rule against ordaining in two traditions
Replies: 4
Views: 131

Re: vinaya rule against ordaining in two traditions

If a Theravada monk wants to convert across to Mahayana, I recall technically all they have to do is take the Bodhisatta's Vow to save all beings, and that's it. Yes, I think it's important to be clear what is meant here by "ordination". The extra Mahayana vows are not really "ordination" in the se...
by mikenz66
Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:41 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does Buddhism needs marketing ?
Replies: 48
Views: 496

Re: Does Buddhism needs marketing ?

Seems with or without religion more or less people knows how to do Dana (giving foods or donating moneys) but in different ways . But Sila is not easy for many . Not to mention the higher learning , after ten twenty years in Buddhism many still unable to understand the basic principles or meaning o...
by mikenz66
Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:39 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Which translation do you prefer: V Thanissaro or V Bodhi's ?
Replies: 54
Views: 3891

Re: Ven Thanissaro or Ven Bodhi's translation you prefer?

While I often disagree with VBBs footnotes & commentaries (which are often sectarian), for me, VBBs translations are the best available (although not perfect); translated with the most intregity & lack of ulterior sectarian agenda; far superior to Thanissaro or Sujato. I tend to agree. Actually Bha...
by mikenz66
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:08 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does Buddhism needs marketing ?
Replies: 48
Views: 496

Re: Does Buddhism needs marketing ?

Perhaps, "promoting strategy" to make it easier to understand and applying in daily life ? Of course, this depends on what you mean. I know a lot of Thai and Chinese people who apply it in their daily life in various ways, and most of those people are definitely not "elite". For the sake of argumen...
by mikenz66
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:45 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does Buddhism needs marketing ?
Replies: 48
Views: 496

Re: Does Buddhism needs marketing ?

I got inspired quite a lot by the Goenka extraordinaire ... What's a "Goenka extraordinaire"? :heart: Mike SN Goenka - Theravada Dhammaduta extraordinaire i looked briefly for the criticism thread but could not find it, it had some nice suggested adjustments Oh, OK... Here's the thread you are thin...
by mikenz66
Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:22 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Does Buddhism needs marketing ?
Replies: 48
Views: 496

Re: Does Buddhism needs marketing ?

rightviewftw wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:54 pm
I got inspired quite a lot by the Goenka extraordinaire ...
What's a "Goenka extraordinaire"?

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Mike
by mikenz66
Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:46 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: Arguing about Mahasi Sayadaw and Goenka Meditation
Replies: 24
Views: 890

Re: Arguing about Mahasi Sayadaw and Goenka Meditation

I think Henepola Gunaratana has the same view, he thinks Sati is not something as simple as noting. Of course not. Noting is just a minor aspect of the Mahasi approach, used as an aid to developing attention so that one can do the sort of things that Bhante Gunaratana describes. Most of that video ...
by mikenz66
Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:26 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Should I read "Manual for Insight"?
Replies: 13
Views: 268

Re: Should I read "Manual for Insight"?

Are you implying that the commentaries are incorrect? The commentaries are just that, comments on Buddhism made by normal monks. Normal fallible, opinionated guys. ... As are the writings and teachings of modern teachers, of course! There is a richness of interpretation and advice available in anci...
by mikenz66
Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:31 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is the eye? - Essay on sense-spheres
Replies: 6
Views: 216

Re: What is the eye? - Essay on sense-spheres

i like the TV example Yes, and note that this is almost directly from Ven Nanananda's Nibbana Sermon 5: http://seeingthroughthenet.net/books/ At first sight the sutta, when it refers to a picture, seems to be speaking about the man who drew it. But there is something deeper than that. When the Budd...
by mikenz66
Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:13 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 217
Views: 2863

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

I quite liked Ven Analayo's presentation that I linked to here: https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?t=30940 The executive summary is that the last half (roughly) of the links can be thought of as occurring over time, and the first half in a timeless/stuctural way. There are many other interesting ...
by mikenz66
Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:19 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is the eye? - Essay on sense-spheres
Replies: 6
Views: 216

Re: What is the eye? - Essay on sense-spheres

Thanks, Bhikkhu Cintita always has useful things to say...

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Mike
by mikenz66
Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:01 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 217
Views: 2863

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Is multiple models an option? Even the ancient traditions (Theravada, Sarvastivada, etc) seem to have both a three-life and a moment to moment model. Could you be more specific, Mike? Where exactly is support for the moment-to-moment interpretation to be found in these ancient traditions? See, for ...
by mikenz66
Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:14 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 217
Views: 2863

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Is multiple models an option? Even the ancient traditions (Theravada, Sarvastivada, etc) seem to have both a three-life and a moment to moment model. I could be wrong, but I assumed that those who accept multiple models always include the moment-to-moment, along with one of the other models named, ...
by mikenz66
Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:08 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 217
Views: 2863

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Is multiple models an option? Even the ancient traditions (Theravada, Sarvastivada, etc) seem to have both a three-life and a moment to moment model. And many modern teachers/commentators use that model. E.g. Thanissaro Bhikkhu: These factors come down to the five aggregates. In fact, the entire pat...