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by diamind
Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:10 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.
Replies: 163
Views: 11529

Re: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.

Greetings, And further to venerable Dhammanando's point above, I'm sure those who were committed first and foremost to the teachings of the Sutta Pitaka had more than enough to contend with, simply in memorizing, reciting and transmitting the suttas. Metta, Paul. :) Theres one thing that Bhante Suj...
by diamind
Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:28 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.
Replies: 163
Views: 11529

Re: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.

So why do we have this thing called EBT now? Surely scholars have been doing the same research for centuries.
by diamind
Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:21 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.
Replies: 163
Views: 11529

Re: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.

I remember reading Prof. Ian Stevenson's works where he gave several incidents which clearly prove the relation of past actions and birth defects. He even managed to find the records of court cases as proof of past memories and birth defects. Perhaps, Bhante Sujato doesn't like the Biblical idea of...
by diamind
Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:53 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.
Replies: 163
Views: 11529

Re: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.

Monks, possessing forty qualities one is cast into purgatory . . . he takes life himself, encourages another to do so, approves of taking life, and speaks in praise of thereof . . ." Anguttara Nikaya 10. 213 As I already distinguished, sutta discourses (apart from MN 135) appear to be about how kno...
by diamind
Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:35 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.
Replies: 163
Views: 11529

Re: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.

But it's not just in MN 135 as others have noted, see also RobertK's posts They sound like later texts. I am not denying to past-life frenzy obviously become very popular; probably under King Ashoka. This looks interesting, what evidence do you have this emerged under King Ashoka? Is Doodoot saying...
by diamind
Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:51 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.
Replies: 163
Views: 11529

Re: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.

Do you think bhande Sujato should outright stop drawing from later Buddhist text in his teachings, it's damn right confusing. He quotes them all the time to explain Buddhism or get his point across, but others times he saids.. oh no no that an a later text we can't accept that. I think its good to b...
by diamind
Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:52 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.
Replies: 163
Views: 11529

Re: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.

He also says collective karma's are a myth and birth defects are not created by karma . I remember reading Prof. Ian Stevenson's works where he gave several incidents which clearly prove the relation of past actions and birth defects. He even managed to find the records of court cases as proof of p...
by diamind
Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:44 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.
Replies: 163
Views: 11529

Re: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.

DooDoot wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:17 pm
diamind wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:56 am
Where is it coming from because its totally counterintuitive
Just more personal opinions above, ignoring the suttas. What does "counterintuitive" supposed to mean?
Well the normal way kamma is presented makes more sense. So how do you come to understand the way Sujato presents it?
by diamind
Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:56 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.
Replies: 163
Views: 11529

Re: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.

This I can understand, just listening to some of the questions he faces from the students, it doesn't take much to upset them i.e hinting an animal rebirth is lower, I cant imagine if Sujato told them getting abused as a child is all their own fault. Yes, but it is not their own fault. You seem to ...
by diamind
Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:50 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.
Replies: 163
Views: 11529

Re: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.

This I can understand, just listening to some of the questions he faces from the students, it doesn't take much to upset them i.e hinting an animal rebirth is lower, I cant imagine if Sujato told them getting abused as a child is all their own fault. Yes, but it is not their own fault. You seem to ...
by diamind
Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:38 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.
Replies: 163
Views: 11529

Re: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.

In Sujato's talk he said its ok to criticize monks. I have few doubts that Sujato understands the True Dhamma very well but most Theravada monks (including Sujato) engage in social political correctness in respect to teaching Buddhism. Sometimes they will teach a certain way; other times another wa...
by diamind
Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:46 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.
Replies: 163
Views: 11529

Re: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.

I'm very new to this forum and all these different teachers and who they are in the Buddhist world. I have no idea who sujato is or who he represents or any history about him. I only came across sutta central a few weeks ago. Im getting the feeling this topic is an old debated point Can anyone give ...
by diamind
Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:21 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.
Replies: 163
Views: 11529

Re: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.

The burden of proof should be on Bhante Sujato. The burden of proof falls on you because Sujato knows the suttas. Although i do agree with you that i shouldnt criticize him, as i am very careful about criticizing ordained monks. The above view appears opposite to that of the Buddha. The Buddha enco...
by diamind
Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:21 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.
Replies: 163
Views: 11529

Re: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.

Im just listening to a few talks by Bhante Sujato. It doesn't take long until you encounter his view of karma. Where is he getting these ideas from? It seems like he really believes his view point but then I think maybe his belief is some what fabricated to try and push his "early buddhism ideology...
by diamind
Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:11 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.
Replies: 163
Views: 11529

Re: Bhante Sujatos and karmic snobbery.

In this case i think Bhante Sujato didnt learn this idea from a tradition or Thai teacher, as this POV seems to contradict virtually all Buddhist traditions view of kamma. I think he might just be presenting his own opinion influenced by his secularized, Buddhism in this lifetime, anti-"asian super...