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by suaimhneas
Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:22 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: Why does B. Sujato translate the khattiya class as "aristocrat"? "Warrior" seems to be the standard translation.
Replies: 9
Views: 1785

Re: Why does B. Sujato translate the khattiya class as "aristocrat"? "Warrior" seems to be the standard translation.

I suppose that in most places for most of history the warrior class and the noble class were synonymous, e.g. knights and barons in feudal Europe or the samurai in Japan. They held and ruled land and the people living on it, trained at and were skilled in warfare, used its resources to equip themsel...
by suaimhneas
Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:21 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: if you witness a crime
Replies: 152
Views: 13067

Re: if you witness a crime

Suaimhneas wrote  Also, to be contrarian, isn't all current Theravadan meditation practice tradition a relatively modern reconstruction from the last century or two (revivalist pioneers working from texts and their own experiences), sometimes too in the context of Western colonialism? Recent and We...
by suaimhneas
Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:46 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: solving the murder mystery from 3rd jhāna
Replies: 49
Views: 8374

Re: solving the murder mystery from 3rd jhāna

Driving at? 'Twas more a random musing after reading through a thread full of mentions of body and kaya (I know it's only vaguely and rather loosely related to the debate). Don't think I really had either side of the debate B. Brahm or Brahmali in mind when writing it (so can understand your mystif...
by suaimhneas
Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:38 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: solving the murder mystery from 3rd jhāna
Replies: 49
Views: 8374

Re: solving the murder mystery from 3rd jhāna

Driving at? 'Twas more a random musing after reading through a thread full of mentions of body and kaya (I know it's only vaguely and rather loosely related to the debate). Don't think I really had either side of the debate B. Brahm or Brahmali in mind when writing it (so can understand your mystifi...
by suaimhneas
Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:13 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: if you witness a crime
Replies: 152
Views: 13067

Re: if you witness a crime

Yes, pretty much all Theravadin meditation schools can be traced back to the first efforts in the 19th century, partially as a reaction to the perceived decline of Buddhism and explicitly as a reaction to Western colonialism (missionary activity being seen as an overt part of that). In more modern ...
by suaimhneas
Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:17 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: solving the murder mystery from 3rd jhāna
Replies: 49
Views: 8374

Re: solving the murder mystery from 3rd jhāna

I think SN41.6 and MN44 imply at least a very close relationship between the breath and kaya. However, a close relationship between vicara vitakka and vaca (speech), and between feeling&perception and citta (mind) is also implied (given descriptions of the speech, bodily and verbal formations). They...
by suaimhneas
Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:25 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: if you witness a crime
Replies: 152
Views: 13067

Re: if you witness a crime

Bhantes Sujato and Analayo seem to simply not believe vitakka means thought... The above is nothing new. Its probably only controversial to wanna-be Westerners. My impression is the recent watering down of 'jhana' into 'McJhana' or 'Soft-Jhana' is largely a Western phenomena. Always interesting to ...
by suaimhneas
Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:46 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: if you witness a crime
Replies: 152
Views: 13067

Re: if you witness a crime

You think I haven't tried contacting B. Analayo and B. Sujato privately and or publicly and politely asked them to explain the problems with their thesis? I already mentioned in the thread some of the evasive tactics I was met with. All I get is chicken feathers floating in the wind and the scent o...
by suaimhneas
Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:47 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: What suttas support the classical Theravada view of immediate rebirth?
Replies: 55
Views: 5886

Re: What suttas support the classical Theravada view of immediate rebirth?

I think different early schools took different positions on this. Am not sure there's any terribly clear indication in the suttas. Two things that are somewhat suggestive of there being an intermediate state would be SN44.9 , which says: “And, Master Gotama, when a being has laid down this body but ...
by suaimhneas
Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:53 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: if you witness a crime
Replies: 152
Views: 13067

Re: if you witness a crime

... I prefer Bhikkhu Bodhi's thought and examination rendering. The subject is controversial and that translation is relatively neutral (adhering to the original non-technical meaning of the words). I happen to agree that vitakka does mean thought (even though I might quibble with you about what "t...
by suaimhneas
Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:52 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: if you witness a crime
Replies: 152
Views: 13067

Re: if you witness a crime

frank k wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:53 am
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Duplicate Post (not sure how to delete)!
by suaimhneas
Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:34 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: if you witness a crime
Replies: 152
Views: 13067

Re: if you witness a crime

Thanks for your response, I think I understand your positions. The main issue you're driving at though, what exactly the nature of the skillful sankappa/vitakka in first jhana, isn't really the main issue I'm driving at. The main issue is the translation of the term Vitakka. From MN 19, MN 78, MN 1...
by suaimhneas
Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:09 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: if you witness a crime
Replies: 152
Views: 13067

Re: if you witness a crime

You did not read this did you? http://lucid24.org/sted/8aam/8samadhi/vitakka/analayo/index.html Because my conclusions are not identical with yours, I must not have read it? I have actually read most of that at one time or another. Anyway, I've read it again today and, with it fresh in my mind, I a...
by suaimhneas
Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:12 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: if you witness a crime
Replies: 152
Views: 13067

Re: if you witness a crime

Earlier in the thread when I was pointing out that in the oral tradition, when the Buddha composes dhamma into the form of vitakka to be memorized, for 12ps dependent co arising, you doubted it saying you didn't think he was in jhana. In that sutta, it didn't explicitly say, but in the first 3 udan...
by suaimhneas
Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:11 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: if you witness a crime
Replies: 152
Views: 13067

Re: if you witness a crime

The word b.bodhi is using for 'reflecting' is vitakka: mahāpurisavitakke vitakkessasi, Sure, I have very little Pali but could figure that out. And that passage using vitakka "When you reflect on these eight thoughts of a great person" appears right at the start of each the four passages for each o...