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by CecilN
Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:22 am
Forum: General meditation-related issues
Topic: Attitude towards body discomfort
Replies: 21
Views: 372

Re: Attitude towards body discomfort

Mkoll wrote:Both suttas I quoted are from the Buddha.

Both suttas you quoted are merely words from a book or internet page & are contrary to Buddhist liberation.
by CecilN
Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:18 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is this world a product of my own mind ?
Replies: 68
Views: 851

Re: Is this world a product of my own mind ?

My personal view is the planet earth, elements (dhatu) & aggregates are not mind-made. According to Buddhist teaching mind (Vinnana) and matter (Nama Rupa) are depend on each other. This seems only in certain contexts, when referring to 'conditioning by ignorance' or 'paccaya' (e.g. SN 12.67). ...
by CecilN
Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:10 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is this world a product of my own mind ?
Replies: 68
Views: 851

Re: Is this world a product of my own mind ?

Consciousness is an aggregate, just like form, volition, etc. Do not make the fisherman son mistake of thinking "there is this consciousness that goes from this life to the other". There is not a consciousness that "sees all this diversity". The suttas seem to say "appearan...
by CecilN
Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:37 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is this world a product of my own mind ?
Replies: 68
Views: 851

Re: Is this world a product of my own mind ?

In the following video (Sinhala language)Ven Thithagalle Anandasiri argues that the whole world is mind made. According to him my family, country...David, Trump, queen, Buddha, my enemy etc are all a product of my own mind. My personal view is these conceptual 'births' of various 'beings' ('sattāna...
by CecilN
Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:40 pm
Forum: General meditation-related issues
Topic: Attitude towards body discomfort
Replies: 21
Views: 372

Re: Attitude towards body discomfort

Ah, if only tiltbillings were still posting... :jumping: the doctrine of kamma is a moral doctrine polluted by egoism & attachment Rejection of the doctrine of kamma is part of wrong view. The doctrine of kamma is part of right view. The doctrine of kamma is a moral doctrine polluted by egoism ...
by CecilN
Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:18 am
Forum: General meditation-related issues
Topic: Attitude towards body discomfort
Replies: 21
Views: 372

Re: Attitude towards body discomfort

Where can I find more buddhist literature on this subject ?? Some readings here (I have not read): Ministering to the Sick and the Terminally Ill http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/desilva/bl132.html Using Meditation to Deal with Pain, Illness & Death http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/...
by CecilN
Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:07 am
Forum: General meditation-related issues
Topic: Attitude towards body discomfort
Replies: 21
Views: 372

Re: Attitude towards body discomfort

Where can I find more buddhist literature on this subject ?? There is lots. For who, looking after this body, would claim even a moment of true health, except through sheer foolishness? So you should train yourself: 'Even though I may be afflicted in body, my mind will be unafflicted.' That is how ...
by CecilN
Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:48 am
Forum: General meditation-related issues
Topic: Attitude towards body discomfort
Replies: 21
Views: 372

Re: Attitude towards body discomfort

a) The Buddhist path is the Middle Way between sensual indulgence and self-mortification. If there as injury or sickness that requires attention, it should be taken care of as best as possible. b) The core doctrine of Buddhism is non-attachment (rather than prayer). In the Culatanhasankhaya Sutta , ...
by CecilN
Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:54 pm
Forum: News, Current Events & Politics
Topic: POTUS 2016, part 3
Replies: 1757
Views: 42218

Re: POTUS 2016, part 3

Obama is considered left wing only in the US and by members of the right wing, for the rest of the world, and America's left, Obama would be considered centrist... The rest of the world does not consider a Wall Street puppet and supreme war maker "centrist". A right-wing neo-con in disgui...
by CecilN
Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:49 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 234
Views: 3353

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

Theravada: Buddha The eye is empty of a self or of anything pertaining to a self. Forms... Eye-consciousness... Eye-contact is empty of a self or of anything pertaining to a self. "The ear is empty... "The nose is empty... "The tongue is empty... "The body is empty... "The i...
by CecilN
Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:19 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 234
Views: 3353

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

Sun-atta = An-atta. The use of "Sun" and "An" prefix quite possibly denote "lack of". The words are 'sunna-ta' ('empty-state') and 'an-atta' ('not-self'). The word 'atta' ('self') is not found in 'sunnata'. Nagarjuna does not take the approach of Ven. Sariputta or the ...
by CecilN
Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:41 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Theravāda & World-Systems
Replies: 4
Views: 169

Re: Theravāda & World-Systems

But does the earth element persist even in saṃvartasthāyikalpāni (aeons between world-systems) after saṃvartakalpāni? On the other thread, the purpose of my discussing the earth element was to break the clinging to rigid views rather than to discuss physics, astrology & the origins of matter. I...
by CecilN
Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:09 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Can Anyone explain Ajahn Chah's Experience ?
Replies: 13
Views: 283

Re: Can Anyone explain Ajahn Chah's Experience ?

Can you explain me more about "huge spontaneous 'catharsis'" ? This is just the self-correcting mechanism of the mental-biological organism. For example, when individuals are addicted to drugs & enter cold-turkey to overcome the addiction, the organism, via abstinence , purges the tox...
by CecilN
Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:44 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 234
Views: 3353

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

If earth has a permanent quality of being earth and cannot vanish into nothing, then that makes the earth element permanent. Something that cannot cease is permanent, and this is contrary to the Buddha's fundamental insight that all conditioned phenomena are to be regarded as impermanent, unsatisfy...
by CecilN
Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:25 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 234
Views: 3353

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

Because they are hypostatizations of themselves in the minds of the practitioner, which is the context of the quote in question. Let me put it another way, since the Nāgārjuna view favours Nibbana. Samsara is always hypostatization. There can be no samsara without hypostatization. Therefore samsara...
by CecilN
Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:15 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 234
Views: 3353

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

Because they are hypostatizations of themselves in the minds of the practitioner. Exactly, which is how this thread was originally responded to & why Nāgārjuna's idea of Nirvana is probably wrong. Nibbana is the end of greed, hatred & delusion. What it actually is is 100% unrelated to its c...
by CecilN
Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:08 am
Forum: News, Current Events & Politics
Topic: POTUS 2016, part 3
Replies: 1757
Views: 42218

Re: POTUS 2016, part 3

There's nothing funny about a Trump presidency!! For some of us, there is nothing funny about any US presidency, which for non-Americans is just more war & killing. Trump is shaping up to have as an insane war machine as Obama-Clinton & Bush-Cheney. The Incredible Trump Deception with F. Wi...
by CecilN
Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:03 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 234
Views: 3353

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

Coëmgenu wrote:In short, anything that is conditioned is considered not Nibbāna in the text, including "conceptions of Nibbāna", which are mental formations, not Nibbāna itself.

So why did Nāgārjuna say samsara & Nirvana are the same.

:popcorn:
by CecilN
Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:58 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 234
Views: 3353

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

I don't see anything where you talked about Nibbāna as an interpenetrating dhātu inside samsara. You seem to believe the universe or the five aggregates are samsara (rather than the mental act of craving). Nibbana occurring when the mind is conscious & the five aggregates remain: What, bhikkhus...
by CecilN
Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:44 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna
Replies: 234
Views: 3353

Re: Theravāda & Nāgārjuna

aflatun wrote:Great posts, thank you for the lucid explanations. Despite all of that, isn't it true that Nagarjuna does not ascribe inherency or existence to Nirvana?

:popcorn:

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