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by aflatun
Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:10 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 346
Views: 7236

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

In a certain discourse in the Mucalindavagga of the Udāna, the Buddha has declared in a verse of uplift that the cessation of contact comes about only by doing away with that which brings about contact. The wandering ascetics of other sects grew jealous of the Buddha and his congregation of monks, ...
by aflatun
Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:07 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 346
Views: 7236

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Phusanti phassā upadhiṃ paṭicca, Nirūpadhiṃ kena phuseyyum phassā. Contacts make contact, dependent on acquisition. Where there is no acquisition, what would contacts contact? Udāna 2.4 Phassa, 'contact', is defined (Salāyatana Samy. iv,10 <S.iv,67-9>) as the coming together of the eye, forms, and ...
by aflatun
Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:09 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 346
Views: 7236

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

I would really appreciate a clear practical explanation of what you mean by "timeless/atemporal" as applied to DO, and I think it would be very helpful for this discussion generally. It seems like people are voting for an option which they are unable or unwilling to explain clearly. :shrug: ..."unw...
by aflatun
Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:32 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Vinnanam Anidassanam. Classical Version.
Replies: 26
Views: 774

Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam. Classical Version.

From an old post by ven. Dhammanando: In the Mahāvihāra's understanding viññāṇaṃ does not mean consciousness in this context . Instead, it is defined as viññātabbaṃ, a verbal derivative that can be taken as a noun ('that which must be cognized') or an adjective ('to be cognized', 'must be cognized'...
by aflatun
Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:13 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam. General Theravada Version.
Replies: 38
Views: 829

Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam. General Theravada Version.

I'm a great admirer of Bhante Sujato, but I find his argument unconvincing. However I appreciate what appears to be his motivation (avoiding eternalism). I prefer Sylvester's analysis here : Bhante Sujato points out that one should read the DN 11 passage in context and realise that it it talking ab...
by aflatun
Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:23 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam. General Theravada Version.
Replies: 38
Views: 829

Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam. General Theravada Version.

3) agree with Ven. Nv that the reference is to the end of any and all conceit, which of course, is Nibbana funny enough... So Brahmā, I am not your equal in knowledge, still less your inferior. Rather, I know more than you. Having directly known earth as earth, and having directly known that which ...
by aflatun
Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:47 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam. General Theravada Version.
Replies: 38
Views: 829

Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam. General Theravada Version.

I'm a great admirer of Bhante Sujato, but I find his argument unconvincing. However I appreciate what appears to be his motivation (avoiding eternalism). I prefer Sylvester's analysis here : Bhante Sujato points out that one should read the DN 11 passage in context and realise that it it talking abo...
by aflatun
Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:06 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 346
Views: 7236

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Then also, there is SN 12.2 where “birth” and “death” are physical events. i wonder how the "timeless-only" model explain this Sutta. You might decide that a timeless model cannot account for this. But if you want to try, my advice would be a start backwards. Is an Arahant subject to death? Actuall...
by aflatun
Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:36 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Vinnanam Anidassanam. Classical Version.
Replies: 26
Views: 774

Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam

In fact according to orthodox Theravada that is exactly what it means Thank you for this Robert :anjali: Interestingly enough, that's basically what Nagarjuna thought it meant too. The interpretation is slightly different so I won't stress it in the classical forum (unless there is interest), but w...
by aflatun
Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:01 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Livestream with Bhikkhu Analayo
Replies: 1
Views: 219

Re: Livestream with Bhikkhu Analayo

Video Link

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by aflatun
Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Should I read "Manual for Insight"?
Replies: 13
Views: 362

Re: Should I read "Manual for Insight"?

I’ve always enjoyed reading Ven. Mahasi, even though I’m neither partial to commentarial Theravada nor someone who practices bhavana in his particular “style”
by aflatun
Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:11 pm
Forum: Lounge (Archive)
Topic: Inspiring Words
Replies: 137
Views: 10315

Re: Inspiring Words

When there is nothing left to surrender, nothing left to give, only then can we come to the end of the passage - the ending of consciousness and its personally subjective God. One glimpse of the Godhead, and no one would want God back. Bernadette Roberts Wow, very interesting! Thank you for sharing...
by aflatun
Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:06 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 346
Views: 7236

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Greetings, If you include Timeless/Atemporal/Structural & Multiple Lives I know a lunatic that would vote for it (me) I don't understand why the poll needs multiple options per line. Isn't it about which "resonates with you the most"? Even if you accept more than one, I'm sure one still "resonates ...
by aflatun
Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:04 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 346
Views: 7236

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

binocular wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:20 pm
aflatun wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:49 pm
If you include

Timeless/Atemporal/Structural & Multiple Lives

I know a lunatic that would vote for it (me)
Count me in, and we'll take over the asylum!
:rolleye:

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But seriously. We should not be making fun of ourselves this way.
:twothumbsup:
by aflatun
Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:02 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 346
Views: 7236

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Hi aflatun, dindale, DNS, What is the difference between "multiple lives model" and "three/two lives model"? :anjali: I'm actually not sure! I embraced it because whether we're talking about 1 or 1 million lives the same principle applies, i.e. all my prior births and deaths are "my" prior births a...