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by ToVincent
Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:32 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: looking for citation, pīti and sukha of 4 jhānas compared to dying of thirst, seeing water in distance, and drinking it
Replies: 18
Views: 211

Re: looking for citation, pīti and sukha of 4 jhānas compared to dying of thirst, seeing water in distance, and drinking

Here's Bodhi's translation. The sukhino is referring to the person experiencing pleasure, it's not an adjective for citta. “For one whose mind is uplifted by rapture the body becomes tranquil and the mind becomes tranquil. Whenever, bhikkhus, the body becomes tranquil and the mind becomes tranquil ...
by ToVincent
Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:56 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: looking for citation, pīti and sukha of 4 jhānas compared to dying of thirst, seeing water in distance, and drinking it
Replies: 18
Views: 211

Re: looking for citation, pīti and sukha of 4 jhānas compared to dying of thirst, seeing water in distance, and drinking

frank k wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:27 pm
pleasure (of the citta),
that part in parenthesis is your own interpolation.
No, that part refers to the next verse:
Sukhino cittaṃ samādhiyati.
A sukhino citta becomes established.
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by ToVincent
Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:44 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: looking for citation, pīti and sukha of 4 jhānas compared to dying of thirst, seeing water in distance, and drinking it
Replies: 18
Views: 211

Re: looking for citation, pīti and sukha of 4 jhānas compared to dying of thirst, seeing water in distance, and drinking

... kayassa sukhino. (SN 46.3, among about 50 other references ). Really! ?!?! This is the usual extract: Pītimanassa kāyo passambhati. Passaddhakāyo sukhaṃ vediyati. Sukhino cittaṃ samādhiyati. Samāhite citte dhammā pātubhavanti. With the pleasure (of the mano), the body becomes tranquil. One tran...
by ToVincent
Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:47 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: He breathes far (lofty) & close (low)
Replies: 6
Views: 388

Re: He breathes far (lofty) & close (low)

The two layers (close/low & far/lofty) have each two nodes. The low layer has the saḷāyatana on the "left" & satta's nāma (as per SN 12. 2 definition,) on the "right". The lofty layer (above the lower layer,) has the viññāṇa nidāna on the "right", and the nāmarūpa nidāna on the "left". (Note: draw t...
by ToVincent
Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:26 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: solving the murder mystery from 3rd jhāna
Replies: 49
Views: 907

Re: solving the murder mystery from 3rd jhāna

Even if what you're saying there is true, it's not relevant to this thread. What is relevant is whether the 5 senses are active and perceivable in the four jhanas. Read at least the "KĀYA as BREATH" part (for Buddha's sake). ... https://justpaste.it/57le2 . . I wasn't saying that for you personally...
by ToVincent
Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:03 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: solving the murder mystery from 3rd jhāna
Replies: 49
Views: 907

Re: solving the murder mystery from 3rd jhāna

Read at least the "KĀYA as BREATH" part (for Buddha's sake).
Holly cow! - Is it so hard to understand the Indian philosophy at the time of Buddha?
https://justpaste.it/57le2
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by ToVincent
Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:32 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: solving the murder mystery from 3rd jhāna
Replies: 49
Views: 907

Re: solving the murder mystery from 3rd jhāna

"Revisiting" MN59: https://justpaste.it/2veig ___ By the way, kaya is breath - and by extention, it is what "glues" the ayatanani. Breath from sankhara nidana (as breath) to the anapana in salayatana (as breath (anapana) and "glued" body). With an "inherited" stop in namarupa nidana. Know your Vedic...
by ToVincent
Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:13 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: He breathes far (lofty) & close (low)
Replies: 6
Views: 388

Re: He breathes far (lofty) & close (low)

The simile the Buddha gives for digha and rassa rules out these ideas about far/near, and shows that long/short (or some similar qualities) is what is intended: Well Sir Volo, I have a systematic way to handle passages in the Buddhist's texts. Namely that they must have at least a parallel for thos...
by ToVincent
Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:52 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: solving the murder mystery from 3rd jhāna
Replies: 49
Views: 907

Re: solving the murder mystery from 3rd jhāna

frank k wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:35 pm
Who killed kāya in 3rd jhāna, and Why?
This satta's breathing in is just death & life.

This satta's breathing out is just death & life.
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by ToVincent
Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:50 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: He breathes far (lofty) & close (low)
Replies: 6
Views: 388

Re: He breathes far (lofty) & close (low)

This satta's breathing in is just death & life.

This satta's breathing out is just death & life.
by ToVincent
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:28 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: What is the Classical Theravada argument against consciousness outside the aggregates?
Replies: 31
Views: 729

Re: What is the Classical Theravada argument against consciousness outside the aggregates?

... Just making sure that this is not going to veer into some proof that there is no consciousness outside of satta, in early Buddhism. It is not because you find a trash bag in your yard, that it's yours. Is it? And I must say that, me jumping into that thread, had a lot to do with your saying in ...
by ToVincent
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:57 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: What is the Classical Theravada argument against consciousness outside the aggregates?
Replies: 31
Views: 729

Re: What is the Classical Theravada argument against consciousness outside the aggregates?

... I do'nt understand your ludicrous question. Consciousness is not yours! Nor are any other of the aggregates. Calm down friend, we're on the same side I think. I'm on the Abhidhamma/commentary side here. No rivers to cry. :console: You might call me friend if you want to. You might think that we...
by ToVincent
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:34 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: What is the Classical Theravada argument against consciousness outside the aggregates?
Replies: 31
Views: 729

Re: What is the Classical Theravada argument against consciousness outside the aggregates?

... I do'nt understand your ludicrous question. Consciousness IS an aggregate. How can it be "outside"!?!? What's your point? Are you trying to prove that consciousness is an emergent property of satta (that is to say, from the brain (mano) in the saḷāyatana nidāna. That is ridiculous. The Theravad...
by ToVincent
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:47 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: He breathes far (lofty) & close (low)
Replies: 6
Views: 388

Re: He breathes far (lofty) & close (low)

Sorry, just one more thing: We have seen above (for those who were interested) that it is paramount to understand the flow of breathing. First, breathing in towards the far & lofty external - Then breathing out, away from the external - "Catching it" with a close & low internal (satta's) breathing i...
by ToVincent
Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:28 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: He breathes far (lofty) & close (low)
Replies: 6
Views: 388

Re: He breathes far (lofty) & close (low)

From what has been said above, I am just adding these two links: - One about how to breathe in Ānāpānasati, from this new perspective: https://justpaste.it/7296c Having folded one's legs crosswise, and straightened one's body. Secluded from sensual pleasures (vivicceva kāmehi) and secluded from unpr...