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by zan
Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:19 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: According to Orthodox Theravada only, in the suttas, is nibbana the self?
Replies: 23
Views: 582

Re: According to Orthodox Theravada only, in the suttas, is nibbana the self?

Well, the Suttas say " Sabbe dhamma anatta ", which is taken to mean that all things are devoid of self; and the contrast with all sankhara , or compounded phenomena, is often taken to mean that the "all things" include the unconditioned, or nibbana . Thank you. Which sutta is this quote from exact...
by zan
Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:26 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: According to Orthodox Theravada only, in the suttas, is nibbana the self?
Replies: 23
Views: 582

Re: According to Orthodox Theravada only, in the suttas, is nibbana the self?

So MN 1 makes it pretty clear that nibbana is not the self. To my knowledge this sutta is what the Orthodox Theravada would present to answer this question, so it is perfect. For the sake of being thorough, does anyone know any other suttas that the traditional Theravada Orthodox commentators would ...
by zan
Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:19 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: According to Orthodox Theravada only, in the suttas, is nibbana the self?
Replies: 23
Views: 582

Re: According to Orthodox Theravada only, in the suttas, is nibbana the self?

Well, the Suttas say " Sabbe dhamma anatta ", which is taken to mean that all things are devoid of self; and the contrast with all sankhara , or compounded phenomena, is often taken to mean that the "all things" include the unconditioned, or nibbana . Thank you. Which sutta is this quote from exact...
by zan
Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:18 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: According to Orthodox Theravada only, in the suttas, is nibbana the self?
Replies: 23
Views: 582

Re: According to Orthodox Theravada only, in the suttas, is nibbana the self?

:goodpost: MN 1 is what you need: “Here, bhikkhus, an untaught ordinary person... perceives Nibbāna as Nibbāna. Having perceived Nibbāna as Nibbāna, he conceives himself as Nibbāna, he conceives himself in Nibbāna, he conceives himself apart from Nibbāna, he conceives Nibbāna to be ‘mine,’ he delig...
by zan
Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:46 pm
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: According to Orthodox Theravada only, in the suttas, is nibbana the self?
Replies: 23
Views: 582

According to Orthodox Theravada only, in the suttas, is nibbana the self?

Again, according to Orthodox Theravada only, is it? Do the suttas ever clarify or rule out this possibility? I know there are modern, or otherwise, interpretations that makes this a very sticky issue and so I am limiting the scope of the question to solely Orthodox Theravada. Might one posit that, w...
by zan
Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:32 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 30
Views: 1227

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

[...] What we call ‘desire’ in English corresponds to so many different things in Pali that any statement to the effect that “the arahant has ended desire” cannot be accepted without considerable qualification. The things corresponding to ‘desire’ in the Buddha’s teaching can be broadly divided int...
by zan
Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:29 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 30
Views: 1227

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

But with the Buddha he extinguished all desire and aversion and went on to eat, drink, sleep, presumably avoid unnecessary painful situations (he didn't lie in the sun until he was blistered and near death, for example), teach others, invent rules, etc. So, without using textual gymnastics and pick...
by zan
Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:11 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 30
Views: 1227

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

Maybe it is that the buddha acts out of compassion but does not want (is not attached) to the outcome of his actions. chownah Something akin to this perhaps. However compassion is generally used in relation to desire for others to be happy and aversion toward seeing them suffer, and empathy. In fac...
by zan
Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:28 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 30
Views: 1227

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

Maybe it is that the buddha acts out of compassion but does not want (is not attached) to the outcome of his actions. chownah Something akin to this perhaps. However compassion is generally used in relation to desire for others to be happy and aversion toward seeing them suffer, and empathy. In fac...
by zan
Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 30
Views: 1227

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

Here is something to consider: 1. Not getting what one wants is suffering. Not everything wanted for can be gotten immediately or at all. 2. Buddha's do not suffer. 3. Therefore, Buddha's do not want. MN 141: "Jātipi dukkhā, jarāpi dukkhā, maraṇampi dukkhaṃ, sokaparidevadukkhadomanassupāyāsāpi dukkh...
by zan
Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:02 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 30
Views: 1227

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

Other than the desire to extinguish all desire, which has an end which ends itself and all desire, it would seem that all desire must necessarily lead to suffering. Isn't this a core teaching of Buddhism? Otherwise worldlings will be desiring to reach elightenment so they can continue desiring other...
by zan
Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:58 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 30
Views: 1227

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

Greetings, Is it as direct about the Buddha as the many firm statements that seem to clearly state that The Buddha had no desire whatsoever? Like does it specify that the Buddha specifically had skillful desire. If so, are there any suttas that clarify how he both had desire but also was detached a...
by zan
Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:53 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 30
Views: 1227

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

How do the suttas reconcile this with the above statements? I’m not aware that they do. There are similar things too, like some suttas where the Buddha says he delights in seclusion and others where he says you shouldn’t delight in anything. I just chalk it up to language being a bit messy and that...
by zan
Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:48 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 30
Views: 1227

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

cappuccino wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:41 am
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I believe you'll reach an amazing height some day friend. You will see through this illusory self. I hope you believe that too :)