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by zan
Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:29 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 28
Views: 548

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

But with the Buddha he extinguished all desire and aversion and went on to eat, drink, sleep, presumably avoid unnecessary painful situations (he didn't lie in the sun until he was blistered and near death, for example), teach others, invent rules, etc. So, without using textual gymnastics and pick...
by zan
Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:11 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 28
Views: 548

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

Maybe it is that the buddha acts out of compassion but does not want (is not attached) to the outcome of his actions. chownah Something akin to this perhaps. However compassion is generally used in relation to desire for others to be happy and aversion toward seeing them suffer, and empathy. In fac...
by zan
Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:28 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 28
Views: 548

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

Maybe it is that the buddha acts out of compassion but does not want (is not attached) to the outcome of his actions. chownah Something akin to this perhaps. However compassion is generally used in relation to desire for others to be happy and aversion toward seeing them suffer, and empathy. In fac...
by zan
Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 28
Views: 548

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

Here is something to consider: 1. Not getting what one wants is suffering. Not everything wanted for can be gotten immediately or at all. 2. Buddha's do not suffer. 3. Therefore, Buddha's do not want. MN 141: "Jātipi dukkhā, jarāpi dukkhā, maraṇampi dukkhaṃ, sokaparidevadukkhadomanassupāyāsāpi dukkh...
by zan
Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:02 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 28
Views: 548

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

Other than the desire to extinguish all desire, which has an end which ends itself and all desire, it would seem that all desire must necessarily lead to suffering. Isn't this a core teaching of Buddhism? Otherwise worldlings will be desiring to reach elightenment so they can continue desiring other...
by zan
Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:58 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 28
Views: 548

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

Greetings, Is it as direct about the Buddha as the many firm statements that seem to clearly state that The Buddha had no desire whatsoever? Like does it specify that the Buddha specifically had skillful desire. If so, are there any suttas that clarify how he both had desire but also was detached a...
by zan
Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:53 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 28
Views: 548

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

How do the suttas reconcile this with the above statements? I’m not aware that they do. There are similar things too, like some suttas where the Buddha says he delights in seclusion and others where he says you shouldn’t delight in anything. I just chalk it up to language being a bit messy and that...
by zan
Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:48 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 28
Views: 548

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

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by zan
Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:44 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 28
Views: 548

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

Greetings Zan, Saying he had desire, skillful or otherwise, contradicts the above sutta quotes. However I'm curious as to where or how this is explained in the suttas. Somewhere in the suttas there's a simile given about walking to the other side of the park, to demonstrate the difference between s...
by zan
Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:34 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 28
Views: 548

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

Without the skilful desire which is central to right effort and the ardency that is repeatedly mentioned in the Satipatthana sutta, it would be impossible to develop the path: https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn51/sn51.015.than.html Naturally, but what about after the path is fully reali...
by zan
Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:45 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 28
Views: 548

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

Without the skilful desire which is central to right effort and the ardency that is repeatedly mentioned in the Satipatthana sutta, it would be impossible to develop the path: https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn51/sn51.015.than.html Naturally, but what about after the path is fully reali...
by zan
Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:28 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 28
Views: 548

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

He obviously retained a mild preference for drinking water, eating food, urinating and defecating, meditating, teaching as opposed to dying of dehydration, starvation, bladder or intestinal explosion, not meditating and not teaching. The Jains for example would go all the way to total abandonment b...
by zan
Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:33 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 28
Views: 548

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

Thank you! So does this mean he had no desires or aversions at all? Or just didn't have negative ones? For example if he saw someone who needed instruction on how to suffer less would he desire to help them? Would he feel aversion toward their suffering or to the idea of not helping them? Or was he...
by zan
Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...
Replies: 28
Views: 548

Re: Did the Buddha ever state flatly...

“What do you think, prince? Is it not possible that a fever born of greed—physical or mental—might arise in that householder or householder’s son, burning him so he sleeps badly?” “Yes, sir.” “The greed that burns that householder or householder’s son, making them sleep badly, has been cut off at t...