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by zan
Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:51 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Poll: Is consciousness/mind/related terms (vinnana/citta/manas/nama/etc.)...
Replies: 3
Views: 914

Poll: Is consciousness/mind/related terms (vinnana/citta/manas/nama/etc.)...

Is consciousness/mind/related terms (vinnana/citta/manas/nama/etc.)...
by zan
Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:19 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...
Replies: 41
Views: 5467

Mahayana and secular logic has made me largely give up on the path...

So, if we extrapolate certain ideas in the Pali Canon to their (hopefully incorrect) logical extreme, we end up at a point where the Buddha has zero authority because some of his own teachings (only at this logical extreme) negate any reason to follow them. We also end up where enlightenment and non...
by zan
Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:33 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...
Replies: 53
Views: 9640

Re: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...

In this paper, I show that in the Pāli Canon there was a tradition of Buddhist logic, but this tradition was weak, and the proto-logic we can reconstruct on the basis of the early Pāli texts can be evaluated as a predecessor of the Hindu logic. According to the textual analysis of the Pāli texts, w...
by zan
Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:19 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Why Suttanta?
Replies: 9
Views: 2002

Why Suttanta?

First of all! I want to be abundantly clear: I do not find the Suttanta position to be incorrect! Not at all! I understand their positions and see their validity. They may very well have the correct understanding of the suttas. I am classical Theravada, but I am not an Arahant, so I accept the possi...
by zan
Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:59 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...
Replies: 53
Views: 9640

Re: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...

Well, it may surprise you to learn that Nagarjuna is considered by some modern critics to use primitive logic and invalid axioms in the Mulamadhyamkakarika (Example Hayes and Robinson). The same is probably true of many or most ancient treatises in this vein. At the same time, if you go too far dow...
by zan
Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:57 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...
Replies: 53
Views: 9640

Re: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...

I asked: From my perspective such treatises are a prerequisite for stating that logic is part of a tradition. Otherwise what is called "logic" depends on readers gut feelings and projections. The Anattalakhanna Sutta is an example of one of many suttas based on logic. The Kattavatthu is a work that...
by zan
Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:39 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...
Replies: 53
Views: 9640

Re: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...

Did the Buddha in the Pali Canon or the classical commentators provide logical arguments against these views that show them as untenable? Or do we just see these views as incorrect because the Buddha stated them as such, without providing reasoning for why they are not reasonable positions? Is ther...
by zan
Wed Sep 30, 2020 8:26 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...
Replies: 53
Views: 9640

Re: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...

Is that a sarcastic jab at classical Theravada? Or are you seriously stating that logic is not part of classical Theravada? I asked: Or are there treatises on logical reasoning like in other traditions? From my perspective such treatises are a prerequisite for stating that logic is part of a tradit...
by zan
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:35 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...
Replies: 53
Views: 9640

Re: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...

In this sub forum the commentaries are authoritative. Since they are an interpretation of the Suttas, they can never be disproven by the Suttas. A Sutta cannot disprove it's own authoritative interpretation. No, in this section both are authoritative. As an aside - and my final word here - if a com...
by zan
Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:10 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...
Replies: 53
Views: 9640

Re: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...

Please reread Ven Bodhi's comment, and then the following definition of "preclude". The Buddha declares that “all phenomena are nonself” (sabbe dhammā anattā), which means that if one seeks a self anywhere one will not find one. Since “all phenomena” includes both the conditioned and the unconditio...
by zan
Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:32 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...
Replies: 53
Views: 9640

Re: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...

... Teaching "there is no self" to those not free from suffering , directly contradicts what the Buddha has explicitly stated about "clinging to the doctrine of Self" being an issue for the ordinary person. Why would he put a person in that predicament to deny the clinging that keeps them bound to ...
by zan
Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:57 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...
Replies: 53
Views: 9640

Re: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...

Did the Buddha in the Pali Canon or the classical commentators provide logical arguments against these views that show them as untenable? Or do we just see these views as incorrect because the Buddha stated them as such, without providing reasoning for why they are not reasonable positions? Is ther...
by zan
Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:31 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...
Replies: 53
Views: 9640

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Baka Brahma : "... This is eternal. This is total. This is not subject to falling away — for here one does not take birth, does not age, does not die, does not fall away, does not reappear. And there is no other, higher escape.'" Buddha : "When this was said, I told Baka Brahma, 'How immersed in ig...
by zan
Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:19 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...
Replies: 53
Views: 9640

Re: Are there Classical Theravada arguments against Hindu monism/non-dualism and the self that are based on logic? Or...

... Dharma Paths: A pan-Dharma discussion forum on Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Taoism & others Metta, Paul. :) I didnt know this forum existed! Thanks! Joining now! If you're joining also I'd like to hear your opinion on some questions on the Gita, on the other forum :). Hope to see you t...