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by zan
Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:01 pm
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: Does the Abhidhamma enumerate every type of consciousness and mental factor in the dhamma?
Replies: 7
Views: 450

Re: Does the Abhidhamma enumerate every type of consciousness and mental factor in the dhamma?

So, when considering the claim that there is consciousness outside the five aggregates, one could rightly say that this is incorrect with regards to the Abhidhamma of the Pali Canon? And so, as to the claim that a person continues to be conscious or exist in some special way after paranibbana becaus...
by zan
Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:26 pm
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: Does the Abhidhamma enumerate every type of consciousness and mental factor in the dhamma?
Replies: 7
Views: 450

Re: Does the Abhidhamma enumerate every type of consciousness and mental factor in the dhamma?

When you speak yof Abhidhamma, do you limit yourself to the canonical Abhidhamma or do you want to include commentarial up to medieval Abhidhamma? Thank you. Other than nibbana, does the Abhidhamma classify any dhammas as unchanging or immortal, eternal? And does it classify any mind or mental fact...
by zan
Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:07 am
Forum: Theravāda for Beginners
Topic: What is Nibbana?
Replies: 17
Views: 792

Re: What is Nibbana?

Whats nibbana? Some selections from On the Nature of Nibbana by the Venerable Mahasi Sayadaw. About the Nature of Nibbāna In the Pāḷi text of the Udāna the following passage occurs relating what Buddha uttered in triumph in relation to the nature of nibbāna. This utterance has been incorporated int...
by zan
Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:32 am
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: Does the Abhidhamma enumerate every type of consciousness and mental factor in the dhamma?
Replies: 7
Views: 450

Re: Does the Abhidhamma enumerate every type of consciousness and mental factor in the dhamma?

Everything that is a dhamma, in the technical Abhidhamma sense, is either mind, mental factor, matter or nibbana. But besides paramattha=dhamma you also have paññatti, the conceptual. Thank you. Other than nibbana, does the Abhidhamma classify any dhammas as unchanging or immortal, eternal? And doe...
by zan
Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:45 pm
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: Does the Abhidhamma enumerate every type of consciousness and mental factor in the dhamma?
Replies: 7
Views: 450

Re: Does the Abhidhamma enumerate every type of consciousness and mental factor in the dhamma?

No, it does not. See for example the Abhidhammāvatāra : in regards to the 8 kinds of wholesome consciousnesses in the sense-sphere it says: "if other variables are taken into account there are 17,280 kinds.” Thanks. What about the much broader four paramattha? Is this list complete? Is all of the d...
by zan
Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:54 am
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: Does the Abhidhamma enumerate every type of consciousness and mental factor in the dhamma?
Replies: 7
Views: 450

Does the Abhidhamma enumerate every type of consciousness and mental factor in the dhamma?

Does the Abhidhamma list and categorize every single type of consciousness and mental factor in the dhamma?

I've not read much of it but that is my understanding. Is this correct?
by zan
Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:49 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: What suttas support the classical Theravada view of immediate rebirth?
Replies: 28
Views: 866

Re: What suttas support the classical Theravada view of immediate rebirth?

mikenz66 wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:17 am
salayatananirodha wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:44 am
hi, this is simply a mistranslation. read below:
rebirth immediate gandhabba ñāṇananda.jpg
It might be useful to have the source of this useful discussion, which is in Chapter 20 of NIbbana, The Mind Stilled:


:heart:
Mike
Thanks!
by zan
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:27 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: What is the Classical Theravada argument against consciousness outside the aggregates?
Replies: 31
Views: 687

Re: What is the Classical Theravada argument against consciousness outside the aggregates?

I do'nt understand your ludicrous question. Consciousness is not yours! Nor are any other of the aggregates. Calm down friend, we're on the same side I think. I'm on the Abhidhamma/commentary side here. No rivers to cry. :console: You might call me friend if you want to. You might think that we are...
by zan
Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:02 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: What suttas support the classical Theravada view of immediate rebirth?
Replies: 28
Views: 866

Re: What suttas support the classical Theravada view of immediate rebirth?

Thanks. Are these suttas meant to show a direct counter to the classical Theravada position as presented in the op? Unless I'm misunderstanding you, please correct me if so, this too sounds like you are presenting information to discredit the classical Theravada position. Thanks for the thought but...
by zan
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:00 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: What is the Classical Theravada argument against consciousness outside the aggregates?
Replies: 31
Views: 687

Re: What is the Classical Theravada argument against consciousness outside the aggregates?

There is also the fact that the Buddha classified all reality into the aggregates, sense bases and objects, and nibbana. There is nothing beyond these classifications. Same for the Abhidhamma but mind, mental factors, matter and nibbana. So the only thing outside the aggregates and sense bases and o...
by zan
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:45 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: What is the Classical Theravada argument against consciousness outside the aggregates?
Replies: 31
Views: 687

Re: What is the Classical Theravada argument against consciousness outside the aggregates?

... I do'nt understand your ludicrous question. Consciousness IS an aggregate. How can it be "outside"!?!? What's your point? Are you trying to prove that consciousness is an emergent property of satta (that is to say, from the brain (mano) in the saḷāyatana nidāna. That is ridiculous. The Theravad...
by zan
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:19 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: What suttas support the classical Theravada view of immediate rebirth?
Replies: 28
Views: 866

Re: What suttas support the classical Theravada view of immediate rebirth?

These suttas might be relevant: “Yasmiñca pana, bho gotama, samaye imañca kāyaṃ nikkhipati, satto ca aññataraṃ kāyaṃ anupapanno hoti, imassa pana bhavaṃ gotamo kiṃ upādānasmiṃ paññāpetī”ti? “Yasmiṃ kho, vaccha, samaye imañca kāyaṃ nikkhipati, satto ca aññataraṃ kāyaṃ anupapanno hoti, tamahaṃ taṇhūp...
by zan
Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:00 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: What suttas support the classical Theravada view of immediate rebirth?
Replies: 28
Views: 866

Re: What suttas support the classical Theravada view of immediate rebirth?

immediate rebirth is implied from the meeting of the three conditions of conception (MN 38), according to the formula of dependent arising: 'this being -- this comes to be' 'with the arising of this -- this arises' 'this not being -- this does not come to be' 'with the cessation of this -- this cea...
by zan
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:28 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: What is the Classical Theravada argument against consciousness outside the aggregates?
Replies: 31
Views: 687

Re: What is the Classical Theravada argument against consciousness outside the aggregates?

the relevancy is why I quoted it Consciousness is a conditioned phenomena. Nibbana is unconditioned. :focus: :goodpost: I think two important and obvious points are One: that the Abhidhamma and likely the earllier matikas, too, classified every consciousness, and categorically ruled out any conscio...