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by zan
Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:55 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Arguments against the Pali Canon being authentic?
Replies: 40
Views: 615

Re: Arguments against the Pali Canon being authentic?

As long as the practices work, does it even matter? The whole thing could be a complete fiction, but if the practices delivered the end of suffering, it wouldn't matter at all. The concept of "useful fiction" is highly problematic. Even a supposedly useful fiction is still fiction. Relying on somet...
by zan
Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:04 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2234
Views: 109550

Re: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread

Just out of curiosity and respectfully (you are clearly an intelligent person and I appreciate your ability to reason and understand logic, as well as to articulate!): In your constant, never ending crusade to persuade people to believe that nibbana is not cessation, who are you trying to convince?...
by zan
Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:00 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Arguments against the Pali Canon being authentic?
Replies: 40
Views: 615

Re: Arguments against the Pali Canon being authentic?

Most of the arguments centre on the time-lapse between the Buddha's life and the earliest written version of the suttas. Opinions vary, of course, but most scholars acknowledge that the canon as we have it was compiled over a period of several centuries, in a language that wasn't quite the same as ...
by zan
Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:20 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What are the scholarly views on agnosticism about the Pali Canon?
Replies: 6
Views: 192

Re: What are the scholarly views on agnosticism about the Pali Canon?

Wiki means "quick". . Wiki is Hawaiian for “fast; quick.”. It is not sloppy literary form, a wiki is a summary, not depth. It is meant to be fairly shallow. I think you are mistaken. Wiki might mean quick in hawaiian but in the english language wiki has come to mean (a definition from the internet)...
by zan
Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:18 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Arguments against the Pali Canon being authentic?
Replies: 40
Views: 615

Re: Arguments against the Pali Canon being authentic?

As long as the practices work, does it even matter? The whole thing could be a complete fiction, but if the practices delivered the end of suffering, it wouldn't matter at all. We are in agreement :) From my original post: "I believe that the Pali Canon absolutely proves itself and no arguments cou...
by zan
Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Arguments against the Pali Canon being authentic?
Replies: 40
Views: 615

Re: Arguments against the Pali Canon being authentic?

What are the arguments that suppose that the Pali Canon is not the literal word of The Buddha? It was compiled by monks for memorization. There are a lot of stock phrases and it is impossible that Buddha repeats himself those so many times in exactly the same way. Some suttas are compiled in a way ...
by zan
Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:13 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Arguments against the Pali Canon being authentic?
Replies: 40
Views: 615

Re: Arguments against the Pali Canon being authentic?

Most of the arguments centre on the time-lapse between the Buddha's life and the earliest written version of the suttas. Opinions vary, of course, but most scholars acknowledge that the canon as we have it was compiled over a period of several centuries, in a language that wasn't quite the same as ...
by zan
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:47 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Arguments against the Pali Canon being authentic?
Replies: 40
Views: 615

Re: Arguments against the Pali Canon being authentic?

I agree with you about the usefulness of the teachings as the way out of suffering and that the Pali Canon is authentic, especially the first 4 Nikayas and most of the KN. Some of the arguments I've heard from non-Buddhists for challenging the authenticity include: 1. Mount Meru, also called Mahāme...
by zan
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:36 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Arguments against the Pali Canon being authentic?
Replies: 40
Views: 615

Re: Arguments against the Pali Canon being authentic?

Likewise for the Pali Canon: no matter what arguments pop up, it is the path to end suffering and so it can not be invalidated because it is comprised of functional texts that actually allow people to accomplish what it teaches... Maybe. But it appears not every sutta & teaching in the Pali Canon i...
by zan
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:22 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread
Replies: 2234
Views: 109550

Re: the great Nibbana = annihilation, eternal, or something else thread

Nirvana is the dhamma if the dhamma is difficult, Nirvana is difficult Just out of curiosity and respectfully (you are clearly an intelligent person and I appreciate your ability to reason and understand logic, as well as to articulate!): In your constant, never ending crusade to persuade people to...
by zan
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:06 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Arguments against the Pali Canon being authentic?
Replies: 40
Views: 615

Arguments against the Pali Canon being authentic?

I believe that the Pali Canon absolutely proves itself and no arguments could ever invalidate it in totality, anymore than one could invalidate a manual on how to fly a plane that actually works: once you are flying, the instructions that got you there have been proven beyond a doubt. Likewise for t...
by zan
Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:23 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What are the scholarly views on agnosticism about the Pali Canon?
Replies: 6
Views: 192

What are the scholarly views on agnosticism about the Pali Canon?

I have always been under the assumption that the teachings in the Pali Canon go back to the historical Buddha and since we are on a Theravada site I think it is only fair to say that, even if these are well researched arguments, the proof is in the pudding: The teachings in the Pali Canon have the e...
by zan
Wed May 02, 2018 12:35 pm
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: Temperature born matter and plants?
Replies: 10
Views: 347

Re: Temperature born matter and plants?

It seems Narada is mistaken. Rupa-jivitindriya is only in matter produced by kamma- hence never in plants. It seems obvious to me that matter outside bodies is only produced by temperature- not kamma or citta.. Okay thank you, do the suttas allow for temperature born matter at all though? Or in the...
by zan
Wed May 02, 2018 4:52 am
Forum: Abhidhamma
Topic: Temperature born matter and plants?
Replies: 10
Views: 347

Re: Temperature born matter and plants?

there are 4 causes for rupa: either kamma, citta, temperature or nutrition. In things like plants and anything outside a living body all matter is produced solely by temperature . In the body most matter is produced by temperature but there is also matter produced by citta, and by kamma, and by nut...