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by SDC
Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:07 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

How exactly does this address the problem of consciousness (and the other 4 aggregates too) ceasing at the exact same moment when ignorance ceases in a "structural, timeless, happening in every moment" DO ? Why are you asking me about moments? When did I ever mention moments? When did ever say "agg...
by SDC
Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:48 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

How exactly does this address the problem of consciousness (and the other 4 aggregates too) ceasing at the exact same moment when ignorance ceases in a "structural, timeless, happening in every moment" DO ? Why are you asking me about moments? When did I ever mention moments? When did ever say "agg...
by SDC
Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:44 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Therefore, if the theories about "structural, timeless, non-temporal, etc" DO are correct, they should whitstand the scrutiny of critical thinking. If such ideas are correct and in line with how things work in reality, then the truth will have no problems rising to the surface in a debate. Your que...
by SDC
Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:49 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

If you don't see a use for it, then why do you care? Anyone who has some understanding of what the historical Buddha has taught will realize it's importance and have at lest a modicum of respect for the dhamma. There have been huge efforts made by lots of people during these 2500 years in order for...
by SDC
Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:48 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Circle5 wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:28 am
What use does a "structural, non-temporal, happening in every moment" idea of DO has when it does not even try to explain anything that is happening in reality, let alone even be correct about it ?
If you don't see a use for it, then why do you care?
by SDC
Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:14 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

I would really appreciate a clear practical explanation of what you mean by "timeless/atemporal" as applied to DO, and I think it would be very helpful for this discussion generally. It seems like people are voting for an option which they are unable or unwilling to explain clearly. :shrug: I've pr...
by SDC
Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:28 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

So I am happy you raised this point because there are often a lot of questions about how it plays into a "timeless" interpretation. Clearly this sutta is incompatible with cessation in terms of cessation of experience , but if it isn't cessation of experience, what is it cessation of? Again, I'm go...
by SDC
Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:40 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

If “ignorance” ceases then, if the "structural/timeless-only" version of DO is correct, all the “links” must cease. Among the links we have “consciousness” (vinnana), “contact” (phassa) and “feeling” (vedana). Problem is that, as Ven Nanavira acknowledges that the Arahant still lives and therefore ...
by SDC
Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:14 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Hi boundless, Lots of points to address, but I'll start with this. Regarding these questions of SDC, How do see 'arising' or 'ceasing'? From what position? Does 'arising' and 'ceasing' happen in front of you? Behind you? In your field of vision? In your mind? Somewhere else? Is that view of 'arising...
by SDC
Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:09 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Can anyone explain simply and clearly what "timeless" means when applied to DO, and give a practical example? Anyone? It always, almost immediately, goes back to you (re)expounding about what you insist are "definitions", so what's the point? Is that what I should expect if I venture an answer?
by SDC
Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:56 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

(Use whatever translation you like, it doesn't alter my point whatsoever.) I am aware of his absolutally brutal mistranslation of the word sankhara. .. I said you could use whatever rendering you like. Use "volitional formations", it doesn't make a bit of difference about what SN 22.55 has to say a...
by SDC
Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:19 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Read carefully, he said there are descriptions in suttas, not explanations. Take the time to see his point of view before you jump to conclusions. 1) There are explanations in the suttas about volitional formations causing the descend of consciousness into the womb (rebirth). 2) This is of course i...
by SDC
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:13 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

That passage is ridiculous and is exactly what I am talking about. There are countless, countless suttas that explain how rebirth takes place because of volitional formations. Nanavira claim that Buddha never explained how rebirth takes place is as ridiculous as it gets to any informed buddhist. Do...
by SDC
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:55 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

But my question was: what is the proximate, technical cause for consciousness descending into the womb in Nanavira view ? To my knowledge, he has no explanation for this and claims we are simply to take it on trust without any explanation and claims the Buddha had no explanation either. But Buddha ...
by SDC
Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:21 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Why are you refusing to answer this question ? Ok, ok, he believes in rebirth, but why does it happen in his view ? What explanation does he give for consciousness to descend into the womb ? If someone asks him "what makes you believe that after death, there will be rebirth instead of eternal heave...
by SDC
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:55 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

You said Nanavira does not reject rebirth like secular buddhist do, despite the 1 life interpretation of DO that he likes. I am asking you how does rebirth happen in his view ? And please no BS Does this sound like someone who rejects rebirth? To be a follower of the Buddha it is certainly necessar...
by SDC
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:16 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Why are you avoiding the question and playing silly games like this ? What's the point ? But ok, then I shall reformulate the question: What is the cause for consciousness to descend into the womb in Nanavira view ? Same answer. You're still asking the wrong question. You're trying to apply linear ...
by SDC
Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:42 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Circle5 wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:31 pm
What is the cause for biological birth in Nanavira view ?
The birds and the bees.
by SDC
Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:49 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

cappuccino wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:42 pm
arising and ceasing is the nature of existence
Well, according to SN 22.38 that nature is not just arising and ceasing. There are 3 'manifestations'. Go take a look.
by SDC
Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:34 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?
Replies: 229
Views: 3178

Re: Which view on DO resonates with you the most?

Also by the first question I meant that "arising" and "ceasing" are by themselves temporal phenomena and I cannot understand how a structural/timeless interpretation of DO can explain the existence of temporal phenomena themselves. I am aware that this question might be a trivial one... Not trivial...