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by SDC
Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:29 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 68
Views: 954

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

Circle5 wrote:
Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:35 pm
People always try to make buddhism fit with the world views popular in the particular region it is introduced.
Just like you do with psychology and all your other contemporary injections. Purchase a mirror. You'll be amazed what you see.
by SDC
Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:59 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 68
Views: 954

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

Nanavira is so esteemed in the Theravada Buddhist world. and here I am reading the thoughts of a thoroughly respected monk who'd rather die than be seen in public with an ugly old woman. I don't think this is the case. I think most Theravadans have never heard of him. ... So i wouldn't see his view...
by SDC
Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:41 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 68
Views: 954

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

I've been meaning to consult one of my infectious disease/microbiology colleagues on the issue of amebiasis and relevant pharmacotherapies used at that time, but haven't gotten around to it. According to wiki metronidazole became common in France in the 60s, so I'm guessing it wasn't that (its a ma...
by SDC
Sat Oct 21, 2017 12:06 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 68
Views: 954

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

On p. 303 [Russell] tells us 'I do not, it is true, regard things as the object of inquiry, since I hold them to be a metaphysical delusion.' A metaphysical delusion? Nonsense! Things are given in immediate experience, and as soon as we enter upon reflexion we are directly aware that 'There are thi...
by SDC
Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:54 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 68
Views: 954

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

I think this kind of pursuit is futile and doesn't help anyone in their life to try and figure out who or what someone else is/was. That I can figure who he was is incidental and doesn't concern me very much at all. I am not sure how familiar you are with his writing, but what is most significant h...
by SDC
Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:41 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 68
Views: 954

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

You opened the book at a section not dealing with philosophical issues. So I will word my challange better: Open the book randomly at any philosophical section or things of that sort and I will prove there is an elementary logical mistake every paragraph. I really can't wait. Chose whatever paragra...
by SDC
Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:35 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 68
Views: 954

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

mikenz66 wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:57 pm
The only possible test is, therefore, whether they find those writings a useful exposition of the Dhamma that does not contradict the Suttas.
And the only way to verify either is to become a sotapanna. There is literally no other qualification.
by SDC
Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:20 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 68
Views: 954

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

You want to tell me this "existentialist buddhism" sect created by Nanavira did not start like that ? He himself said he came up with these ideas through combining the writings of Heidegger, Satre, Derida, etc. with buddhism. And that's why the majority of the quotes in his books are from such post...
by SDC
Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:33 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 68
Views: 954

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

If you took a minute to read before you posted you wouldn't have to spend the next 10 minutes editing...
by SDC
Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:32 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 68
Views: 954

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

Nanavira himself was a postmodernism and the branch of buddhism he invented is called "existentialist buddhism". He himself said he invented this through combining the works of famous postmodernist like Heidegger, Satre, etc. with the writings of Buddha. You conceded on these points a few months ag...
by SDC
Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:20 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 68
Views: 954

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

Nanavira himself was a postmodernism and the branch of buddhism he invented is called "existentialist buddhism". He himself said he invented this through combining the works of famous postmodernist like Heidegger, Satre, etc. with the writings of Buddha. You conceded on these points a few months ag...
by SDC
Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 68
Views: 954

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

Pick any random paragraph ever written by Nanavira and I promise I will show at least 5 elementary logical mistakes present in it. Just like any other postmodernist writings, his writings contain at least an elementary logical mistake every paragraph. I dare you to do it, pick any paragraph and pos...
by SDC
Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:10 pm
Forum: Study Group
Topic: SN 16.10 Bhikkhunūupassaya Sutta. The Bhikkhunīs’ Quarters.
Replies: 17
Views: 277

Re: SN 16.10 Bhikkhunūupassaya Sutta. The Bhikkhunīs’ Quarters.

Hard to imagine pride getting the best of an arahat, though there are accounts of rather unsavory behavior by arahats so I suppose it is not out of the question. If I recall correctly, Ven Kassapa practiced as a layperson while continuing to live with his wife, who also practiced. Just doesn't add u...
by SDC
Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:59 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 68
Views: 954

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

Thanks SDC, it is definitely not so simple, I understand, especially to see what he could have done back then in Sri Lanka, or maybe he would have had to travel to the UK or elsewhere. Hard to reconcile even so, the Buddha's exhortation to "patiently endure" bodily pains, even wracking bodily pains...
by SDC
Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:52 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 68
Views: 954

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

It strikes me that Nanavira was a troubled guy. He was sincere in his desire to follow a Buddhist path. Because he didn't take care of his body, amoebic problems, it developed into a serious distraction. Who knows what he was thinking about? He seemed to follow an extreme path which led him to this...
by SDC
Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:44 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 68
Views: 954

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

Nanavira was obviously a thoughtful person, but also a troubled one. At the end of the day, I think he was a depressed person who was in pain and killed himself. His illness was treatable. I've seen this before-- where a physical illness which is treatable overwhelms them. He attempted for years to...
by SDC
Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:49 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide
Replies: 68
Views: 954

Re: Better to kill oneself than to marry a "hideous widow": Thoughts on Nanavira's suicide

Do you think that anyone places esteem on Nanavira because of his suicide, or do you think it might be because of his writings? People not rarely have a special affection for those who die (relatively) young, regardless of how that death came to be. I don't think this affection can be clearly separ...
by SDC
Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:31 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Muhammad - Worthy of respect?
Replies: 109
Views: 2144

Re: Muhammad - Worthy of respect?

...... One should listen to and respect the doctrines professed by others. Beloved-of-the-Gods, King Piyadasi, desires that all should be well-learned in the good doctrines of other religions. https://www.cs.colostate.edu/~malaiya/ashoka.html Thank you for restoring some decency and reason to respe...
by SDC
Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:52 am
Forum: Suggestion box
Topic: delete the music thread
Replies: 37
Views: 673

Re: delete the music thread

Spiny Norman wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:30 am
SDC wrote:
Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:08 pm
Otherwise you would have rants about Trump and SWJs in threads about dependent origination -
Trump is a dependently arisen phenomenon, and therefore transient and empty. :tongue:
:jumping:
by SDC
Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:09 pm
Forum: Suggestion box
Topic: delete the music thread
Replies: 37
Views: 673

Re: delete the music thread

The music thread is probably the only long thread on this forum that doesn't have people getting attached to views and arguing with each other about which is better, provoking, deriding, etc. etc. The music thread is positively wholesome in comparison. https://cdn.head-fi.org/e/headfi/L3000.gif Thi...