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by robertk
Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:32 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Vinnanam Anidassanam. Classical Version.
Replies: 23
Views: 351

Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam

the Theravada understanding is that nibbana is an object of insight, not that nibbana has any type of consciousness. When you say that Nibbana is an "object of insight", do you mean it's an object of consciousness ( vinnana )? Something we become aware of? yes it is an object of citta/vinnana, and ...
by robertk
Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:24 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Vinnanam Anidassanam. Classical Version.
Replies: 23
Views: 351

Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam. Classical Version.

From an old post by ven. Dhammanando: In the Mahāvihāra's understanding viññāṇaṃ does not mean consciousness in this context . Instead, it is defined as viññātabbaṃ, a verbal derivative that can be taken as a noun ('that which must be cognized') or an adjective ('to be cognized', 'must be cognized')...
by robertk
Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:14 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Vinnanam Anidassanam. Classical Version.
Replies: 23
Views: 351

Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam

Greetings robertk and thank you for the explanation! Is it because "vinnana" has always an object according to orthodox Theravada, right? After all, it seems that awareness is always an awareness "of" something (e.g. even the consciousness referred in AN 10.6 seems to have Nibbana as an object...) ...
by robertk
Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:19 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Vinnanam Anidassanam. Classical Version.
Replies: 23
Views: 351

Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam

] Vinnanam anidassanam is just a clean, jhanic, 100% defilement-free arahant's consciousness, . as my opening post stated: [, the term 'Viññanam' in the line of the original Pali verse " Viññanam anidassanam, anantam sabbatopabham .." does not refer to consciousness, the usual meaning of viññanam ....
by robertk
Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:10 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Vinnanam Anidassanam. Classical Version.
Replies: 23
Views: 351

Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam

Referring to the Buddha's attainment of enlightenment as described in SN 56.11, Thanissaro says: "The consciousness attained through this release is the only type of awareness that the Canon recognises as truly unconditioned, for- unlike every other form of consciousness- it can be known without re...
by robertk
Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:16 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Vinnanam Anidassanam. Classical Version.
Replies: 23
Views: 351

Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam

SarathW wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:21 am
Consciousness of Arahant is not Nibbana.
Of course not.
by robertk
Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:09 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Vinnanam Anidassanam. Classical Version.
Replies: 23
Views: 351

Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam

justindesilva wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:30 am
SarathW wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:00 am
Isn’t Vinnana a limb of Dependent Orignation?
anto
sabbato psbham',
it means a consciousness non manifest , infinite, radiant all around ; which means that it is the consciousness of an arya puggala or an arhant.
This is in direct opposition to the classical Theravada stance.
by robertk
Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:06 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Vinnanam Anidassanam. Classical Version.
Replies: 23
Views: 351

Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam

as I understand it: it does not refer to any kind of special consciousness outside of the aggregates or a crypto self, but rather to liberating (i.e. nibbanic) insight thanks. the Theravada understanding is that nibbana is an object of insight, not that nibbana has any type of consciousness. While ...
by robertk
Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:09 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Vinnanam Anidassanam. Classical Version.
Replies: 23
Views: 351

Re: Vinnanam Anidassanam

SarathW wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:00 am
Isn’t Vinnana a limb of Dependent Orignation?
Does your question have any relation with the topic?
by robertk
Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:27 am
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Vinnanam Anidassanam. Classical Version.
Replies: 23
Views: 351

Vinnanam Anidassanam. Classical Version.

I saw this today: https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=13921&p=468754&hilit=unsubstantiated#p468754 DooDoot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:57 am Vinnana[m] Anidassanam is not Nibbana. We have also discussed this before. Why do you keep repeating the same old unsubstantiated ideas? In fact accord...
by robertk
Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:15 pm
Forum: News, Current Events & Politics
Topic: Should restaraunts with religious owners be shunned?
Replies: 4
Views: 191

Should restaraunts with religious owners be shunned?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/whos-more-bigoted-and-intolerant-chick-fil-a-or-the-new-yorker-writer-who-attacked-it from.the New Yorker, talking about Chick-fil ( one of Americas largest fast food chains): the brand’s arrival here feels like an infiltration, in no small part because of ...
by robertk
Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:22 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Is the idea that Nibbāna is seen at each of 4 stages of awakening canonical?
Replies: 40
Views: 1709

Re: Is the idea that Nibbāna is seen at each of 4 stages of awakening canonical?

How could he technically taste such a state giving his small level of development ?
Small.?
He has already directly known Nama- rupaparichedda nana, something that is due to extraordinary level of understanding. And then a further 15 stages of insight.

None of this is related to skill in jhana.
by robertk
Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:22 am
Forum: Suggestion box
Topic: Re: Free speech, mere offense, direct harm & antisemitism
Replies: 168
Views: 2433

Re: Free speech, mere offense, direct harm & antisemitism

Thanks for all the suggrstions.
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by robertk
Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:38 am
Forum: News, Current Events & Politics
Topic: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)
Replies: 96
Views: 1938

Re: Next 24 hours are super important (huge tensions regarding Syria)

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by robertk
Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:28 am
Forum: News, Current Events & Politics
Topic: Changes in attitudes towards global warming
Replies: 152
Views: 6442

Re: Changes in attitudes towards global warming

Wall Street Journal https://www.wsj.com/articles/climate-alarmists-may-inherit-the-wind-1522605526 They likened a courtroom ‘tutorial’ to the Scopes Monkey Trial. But their side got schooled. [​IMG] Illustration: Phil Foster By Phelim McAleer April 1, 2018 1:58 p.m. ET San Francisco Five American oi...
by robertk
Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:23 am
Forum: Family Life and Relationships
Topic: Flesh desires along with mindfulness
Replies: 16
Views: 577

Re: Flesh desires along with mindfulness

Even sotapanna and sakadagami may enjoy pleasures of the flesh, and even the completely deluded may abstain from pleasures of the flesh. The path is primarily one of eradicating wrong view.. In the Samyutta nikaya V (Sayings on stream entry p347 The great chapter Dhammadina ) 500 rich merchants came...
by robertk
Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:46 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: mettā in commentarial tradition (refutation)
Replies: 68
Views: 1136

Re: mettā in commentarial tradition (refutation)

Dhammarakkhito
I also cant see how metta can be developed to oneself - except by using self as an example, as I said.
by robertk
Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:50 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: mettā in commentarial tradition (refutation)
Replies: 68
Views: 1136

Re: mettā in commentarial tradition (refutation)

conceiving oneself in mettā is counter to the buddha's instructions , plain as day So, just to be clear: When monastics chant "May I be happy" or "May I abide in wellbeing", they are acting counter to the Buddha's instructions? Is that chant a translation taken from a pali sutta or commentary?
by robertk
Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:29 am
Forum: Ordination and Monastic Life
Topic: Bhikkhunis is not Aj Brahm's project.
Replies: 70
Views: 1697

Re: Bhikkhunis is not Aj Brahm's project.

Incidentally, Ajahn Passano also participated in the 2010 Theravada bhikkhuni ordination in California, but because the women are not in the Thai Forest tradition, nobody objects to their ordination. Kind of undermines all these arguments against the validity of bhikkhuni ordinations . How does it ...
by robertk
Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:48 am
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: mettā in commentarial tradition (refutation)
Replies: 68
Views: 1136

Re: mettā in commentarial tradition (refutation)

. First of all it should be developed only towards oneself, doing it repeatedly thus: “May I be happy and free from suffering” or “May I keep myself free from enmity, affliction and anxiety and live happily.” this is the section from VIS However the Vis is well aware of the problem: 9. If that is so...