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Re: Bad resources

Postby cooran » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:43 am

Hello all,

What is a "bad resource"?

Even the most inaccurate book, considered trash by many, can have a fortunate result.

I wouldn't be a buddhist but for coming across The Third Eye by Lobsang Rampa when I was about 13 years old and still an ardent Christian. It was a quarter of a century later, during a time of heartbreak, that I began a search for something other than Christianity - and the foundations had been laid by the fraudulent book I had read when a young teenager.

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Re: Bad resources

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Re: Bad resources

Postby cooran » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:20 am

Hello Tilt,

Agree.

At any age, life is only as long as your out-breath ~ if you don't breathe in again.


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Re: Bad resources

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:29 am

Not to dwell in aversion, but...in the spirit of the o p, anything by Thich Naht Hahn has me looking out for a wobbly table while rinsing my mouth with lemon juice to get rid of the sickly taste.
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

Bhikku Bodhi.

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Re: Bad resources

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:51 am

Greetings,

I found "The Triple Gem and The Way to Social Harmony" by Pyinnyathiha to be virtually unreadable, both in terms of the language use and lack of coherency.

It's rare that I don't get through a Dhamma book, but I could just tell this one wasn't worth the effort... as Tilt said, time is tight, best to be reading that which is most likely to be useful.

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Retro. :)
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Re: Bad resources

Postby zavk » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:15 am

I suppose we can surmise from the replies so far that 'bad' is relative... hence, the colloquialism 'so bad it is good'.

OK now I am just being silly... bad joke, my bad... oops, I should stop using that word. :toilet:
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"Buddhism without beliefs"

Postby effort » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:12 pm

but zavk, i like to read that book, if someone wants to throw that out please tell me first!

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Re: Bad resources

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Re: Bad resources

Postby alan » Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:21 pm

Hi Catmoon and Chris
On another thread I asked if it would be fair to say your Kamma leads you to find a teaching. Bhikku Pesala suggested that spiritual inclination has everything to do with Kamma. If so, maybe that lousy book you read as a teenager should not get credit for your current happy state as Buddhists.

My definition of a bad resource is a book that:
A) Perhaps contains one or two good ideas, but many other nonsensical ones that you follow, only to find later were wrong,
B) Focusses too narrowly one one aspect of the path, thereby presenting the reader with a skewed perspective,
C) Tries to re-define the subject in light of psychology or "self-help"
D) Is just plain wrong!
Not too much stuff in the D category, but enough to be wary. And lots of others in the A, B and C. I know, I've read most of them, or so it seems!

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Re: Bad resources

Postby Hanzze » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:41 am

_/\_
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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Bad resources

Postby Vepacitta » Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:54 pm

Personally, I can't stand Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh - - 'Christo-Buddhism' imo. I've bitched and/or moaned about the good Venerable before here on Dhamma Wheel. I feel he tries to mind-meld Buddhist principles into Christianity to make it more 'palatable' for westerners. His concept of 'inter-is-ness' sounds to me like a gooshy-we're-all-one love fest.

But that's just me.

I'm also no van of Ven. Pema Chodron - here's some excerpts from an interview where she shares her thoughts on Trungpa Rinpoche - a notorious personage.

Tricycle: Stories of Trungpa Rinpoche's sexual encounters with students still upset a lot of people. Have they ever upset you?

Pema Chodron: No. But he upset me. He upset me a lot. I couldn't con him, and that was uncomfortable. But it was exactly what I needed. Sometimes, in certain situations, I can see how I'm a con artist, and I can see how I'm just trying to make everything pretty and smooth, and all I have to do is think of Rinpoche and I get honest. He has the effect on me of relentlessly—in a dedicated way—keeping me honest. And that's not always comfortable.

Tricycle: How did he respond to your choice of celibacy?

Pema Chodron: He encouraged me to be very strict with my vows.

Tricycle:In recent years women have become more articulate about sexism. And we know more today about the prevalence of child abuse and about how many people come into dharma really hurting. If you knew ten years ago what you know today, would you have been so optimistic about Trungpa Rinpoche and his sexuality? Would you have wanted some of the women you've been working with to study with him, given their histories of sexual abuse?

Pema Chodron: I would have said, You know he loves women, he's very passionate, and has a lot of relationships with women, and that might be part of it if you get involved with him, and you should read all his books, go to all his talks, and actually see if you can get close to him. And you should do that knowing you might get an invitation to sleep with him, so don't be naive about that, and don't think you have to do it, or don't have to do it. But you have to decide for yourself who you think this guy is.

Tricycle:Would you say that the intention behind this unconventional behavior, including his sexual exploits and his drinking, was to help others?

Pema Chodron: As the years went on, I felt everything he did was to help others. But I would also say now that maybe my understanding has gone even deeper, and it feels more to the point to say I don't know. I don't know what he was doing. I know he changed my life. I know I love him. But I don«t know who he was. And maybe he wasn't doing things to help everyone, but he sure helped me. I learned something from him. But who was that masked man?



Someone's who's this daft and dizzy - I don't like and I don't recommend to anyone.

Not a big fan of D. Suzuki either.

We take firm stances here on Mt. Meru! :jedi:

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Re: Bad resources

Postby texastheravadin » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:44 pm

"Indeed, the Blessed One is worthy and rightly self-awakened, consummate in knowledge & conduct, well-gone, an expert with regard to the world, unexcelled as a trainer for those people fit to be tamed, the Teacher of divine & human beings, awakened, blessed." — AN 11.12

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Re: Bad resources

Postby Laurens » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:09 pm

"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."

Carl Sagan

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Re: Bad resources

Postby Dan74 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:53 pm

a dosa-fest...

I guess it can be good to get it out of the system :shrug:
_/|\_

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Re: Bad resources

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Re: Bad resources

Postby Vepacitta » Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:11 am

Nana - a person like that - who can barely tell the difference between right and wrong - who cannot even admit that the behaviour of her teacher was morally reprehensible - who has said in one of her talks that I picked up at the local library "well, I can't even say what's right or wrong ... " is not - in my opinion - a very sorted out person.

How did I come to this conclusion about her - by doing a lot of reading - listening - and not liking what I saw. I look at people's actions and words - not their robes.

Just because someone is an ordained religious (of whatever religion) doesn't mean that one cannot voice their opinion about them - strongly. That sort of thinking has led to the vilest abuses of the populace by persons of various religious orders throughout history.

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Re: Bad resources

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Re: Bad resources

Postby Vepacitta » Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:10 am

It's presumptuous to tell me that I cannot express my opinion or to imply that my having an opinion and expressing it is presumptuous.

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Re: Bad resources

Postby alan » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:55 am

Rock on, V.

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Re: Bad resources

Postby alan » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:56 am

Throwing out Batcheler's book is not littering. It's household improvement.


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