Kenshou wrote:I recall it is said in the Satta Sutta that "Any desire, passion, delight, or craving for form"/feeling/perception/fabrication/consciousness, Radha: when one is caught up there, tied up there, one is said to be 'a being." And so then when that craving is gone, there is not said to be a "being", that is; "bhavanirodha".
So it seems to me that what's being said is that "existence" or ""being" as relevant to Buddhism is perhaps not the simple presence of phenomena as we tend to generally think of it. The really important thing is, as usual, craving (aversion & ignorance).
The word in Satta Sutta is satta. Not "bhava".
Satta can mean = "
attached or clinging to."
So the sutta CAN be interpreted as:
""
Any desire, passion, delight, or craving for form"/feeling/perception/fabrication/consciousness, Radha: when one is caught up there, tied up there, one is said to be 'attached or clinging to."
To forestall some future comments:
I believe that suttas are consistent when it comes to Pari-Nibbana. If we agree on that, then any kind of descriptions have to be consistent with
"‘With the breakup of the body, following the exhaustion of life, all feelings, not being delighted in, will become cool right here; mere bodily remains will be left." - SN12.51(1).
that description of what happens. So, IMHO all references to positive states of Nibbana either refer to Nibbana of alive arahant (or rather the aggregates we call an Arahant), attainment of arahattaphala samādhi, or they refer to full cessation (parinibbāna) with no kind of experience remaining.