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Jhāna According to the Pāḷi Nikāyas

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Postby retrofuturist » Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:10 am

Greetings Geoff,

I look forward to reviewing this when I have some more time. In the meantime, can you just tell me a little about the "Jhāna According to the Pāḷi Nikāyas" paper. Is it something you wrote, or someone else? Is it available online, in book form etc.?

I ask because I've always wanted a comprehensive text on the subject of meditation that looked at the subject exclusively from the perspective of the suttas, devoid of the original insertions of commentators (either modern or ancient, Theravadin or other). Alas to date I've found nothing that satisfied this requirement.

In a Buddhist world with so many differing interpretations and understandings, "going to the source" is my preferred modus operandi. It's not too difficult to do in a doctrinal context, but I've found it unfortunate that "going to the source" in the context of instruction on mental cultivation is a far more elusive proposition. Yes, I've read suttas here and there on the subject, but it would be nice to have something more consolidated.

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Postby Ben » Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:07 am

Hi Retro

I am curious with regard to an issue you alluded to in your response to Geoff.
Can you please explain to me what the difference is between what Geoff has done with his paper and what the ancient commentarians did with their nidessas?
I'm also interested to know what these "insertions" are that you mention.
kind regards

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby Sylvester » Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:27 am

Dear Geoff

How timely. I was looking for an opportunity to post a link to Piya Tan's latest essay on Jhana that discusses the debate between the Absorption camp and the Discursive camp. It is found here -

http://dharmafarer.org/wordpress/wp-con ... .-piya.pdf

I think it is a fairly even treatment of the subject, even if the technical analysis of the Pali grammar which English readers typically overlook may be a bit distressing for those accustomed to reading the English translations.

A brief summary of Piya's essay for the Absorption model of Jhana -

1. pre-Buddha meditation;
2. the problem of Alara's and Rama's attainments (why they did not lead to enlightenment);
3. the meanings of the word "Jhana" (and its verbs) in the suttas;
4. a survey of the 2 models;
5. the present tense in Pali and how it is misapplied in reading the "insight" passages;
6. an alternative rendering of the Anupada Sutta, MN 111;
7. the post-Jhana upacara samadhi in the suttas.

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Postby Modus.Ponens » Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:04 am

Thank you Geoff :smile:
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Jhāna According to the Pāḷi Nikāyas

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:21 am

Greetings Geoff,

Thank you for sharing this. As far as I am able to understand and relate to it, I concur with what has been said above.

Metta,
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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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