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Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

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Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Postby jcsuperstar » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:50 pm

สัพเพ สัตตา สุขีตา โหนตุ

the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:46 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Postby dhamma_spoon » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:28 pm

Hi, JcSuperstar and Retro -

My several years of suttas discussion with friends and friendly foes teached me the followings:
1. Less than half of them were comfortable reading the suttas by themselves. Yet, when I tried to give some guidance (or suggestion), they often disagreed.
2. Among those who thought they clearly understood a given sutta, they did not understand it the same way (sometimes, the difference was large).
3. Only a few participants could do cross-referencing. Only a few remembered their own conclusion they gave the last time.
4. More than half of the participants preferred the touch-and-go chatting rather than researching and asking questions in order to understand more.

So I sincerely hope the members of this discussion group are different. :focus:


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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:41 pm

Greetings Tep,

Well, it's certainly an expectation that if someone makes a statement they may be called upon to back it up... at minimum explaining their logic, but preferably, with reference to relevant source material.

I don't think it matters too much if people interpret things differently... in many ways it's good to hear alternative perspectives and come to a conclusion on your own, based upon the available evidence and perspectives.

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Postby Phra Chuntawongso » Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:10 pm

Hi Retro.
When I first started to study Buddhism,it was in the Tibetan tradition.
It was interesting to watch the different schools(I think there were about 4 of them)debate from different angles.
No right and no wrong.
I also believe that each school had to study the others way at looking at things.
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Lost in time
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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Postby dhamma_spoon » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:14 pm

Retro: " I don't think it matters too much if people interpret things differently... in many ways it's good to hear alternative perspectives and come to a conclusion on your own, based upon the available evidence and perspectives."


ChiengmaiGreg: "It was interesting to watch the different schools(I think there were about 4 of them)debate from different angles. No right and no wrong.
I also believe that each school had to study the others way at looking at things."

It doesn't matter what & how each school looks at things, I guess, if we only "chat" in order to make friends and socialize with other people. No right and no wrong, just let it fly over your head and be happy. :tongue:

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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:24 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Postby jcsuperstar » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:22 am

สัพเพ สัตตา สุขีตา โหนตุ

the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:58 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Postby dhamma_spoon » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:06 pm

dhamma_spoon wrote:
'You seem to indicate that there are other true Dhammas besides the Buddha's Teachings!'

Retro: 'Not at all... but you may interpret something differently to how I may interpret something which may differ to how someone else would understand the Buddha's teachings. Spend a little time here and you'll see how different people, all with great reverence for the Buddha and his Dhamma, might interpret and understand his message in different ways.'

Hi, Retro -

I truly concur with you about different (and, often egotistical) interpretations of the true Teachings, because those also have been encountered by me. Continued discussion in that kind of environment is not only useless because it is endless, but also harmful to concentration because it distracts and agitates. :toilet:

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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:07 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:27 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:44 am

Greetings Tep,

No... just suggests that's what we work towards.

I suppose that actually brings us to the heart of this sutta study....

What good are all these descriptions of "ultimate persons", if not as a guide or an ideal to strive towards? Or is it just for us to be reverent?

Metta,
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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Snp 4.10 Purabheda Sutta

Postby jcsuperstar » Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:15 am

สัพเพ สัตตา สุขีตา โหนตุ

the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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