Wat Dhammakaya

Theravāda in the 21st century - modern applications of ancient wisdom

Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby appicchato » Mon May 10, 2010 5:32 am

...in post no. 4...


Speaking of which...perhaps posts could be numbered for easy(er) reference...say, near the 'report' icon, or ?...just a thought... :smile:
User avatar
appicchato
 
Posts: 1603
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:47 am
Location: Bridge on the River Kwae

Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby retrofuturist » Mon May 10, 2010 5:44 am

Greetings bhante,

At the top of each post, the post heading actually has the URL sitting behind it.

To link to earlier posts, people can right-click, copy this URL, and put it in their posts. It's a bit more reliable than post numbering which would become disjointed if posts are deleted (either by the user or a moderator).

Metta,
Paul. :)
If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


Exalted in mind, just open and clearly aware, the recluse trained in the ways of the sages:
One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


Dharma Wheel (Mahayana / Vajrayana forum) -- Open flower ~ Open book (blog)
User avatar
retrofuturist
Site Admin
 
Posts: 14773
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:52 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby tiltbillings » Mon May 10, 2010 5:51 am

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=339&p=64826#p64826

I did not know that, but you need to left click on "Re: Wat Dhammakaya" then right click on url which shows up in the url space on the top of the page in the url box then right click and copy and paste it into the msg body.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
User avatar
tiltbillings
 
Posts: 19899
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:25 am

Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby appicchato » Mon May 10, 2010 5:54 am

I did not know that...


Ditto...thank you both...
User avatar
appicchato
 
Posts: 1603
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:47 am
Location: Bridge on the River Kwae

Wat Dhammakaya

Postby GrahamR » Sun May 16, 2010 8:03 am

Thomas,

I didn't want to publicly criticism something other people hold as sacred, however I will add more now having been approached by several people off list: my experience of it was the commercial face of Buddhism, all the dhamma books were for sale for example! I don't understand much Thai, or what was going on, but my wife described the monks as businessmen in robes. I could see that they seem to have taken concepts of angels and hell from Christianity, you pay to them and become an angel or go to hell.

There is the Dhammakaya channel available on satellite, we get in the Britain, I wouldn't recommend that either!

Graham



Pannapetar wrote:I only know about Wat Dhammakaya from hearsay, i.e. from what other people told me about it, and from their brochures, which are quite abundant here. To me it looks like the closest you can get to "spiritual materialism", as they appear to measure merit primarily in donations and they even have a table of devata levels that are open to you in the afterlife according to the financial contributions you made. They attract a lot of the Bangkok business elite and rich Thai-Chinese merchants. I think Ven. Gavesako's brief portrayal in post no. 4 is quite accurate.

Cheers, Thomas
With metta :bow:
Graham
User avatar
GrahamR
 
Posts: 101
Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:13 pm
Location: Surat Thani, Thailand

Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby Pannapetar » Sun May 16, 2010 9:26 am

GrahamR wrote:I didn't want to publicly criticism something other people hold as sacred...


It might be one of those cases, where it is more important to be honest than to be respectful. :anjali:

Cheers, Thomas
User avatar
Pannapetar
 
Posts: 327
Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:05 am
Location: Chiang Mai, Thailand

Wat Dhammakaya

Postby GrahamR » Sat May 22, 2010 5:45 am

Thomas,

Yes I agree, perhaps we should warn people, at the risk of offending others, which is why I have now written more.

I would add that there have been various scandals about the Wat in Thailand too, not all of which we substantiated.

It's certainly not a temple we ever intend to visit again.

Graham



Pannapetar wrote:
GrahamR wrote:I didn't want to publicly criticism something other people hold as sacred...


It might be one of those cases, where it is more important to be honest than to be respectful. :anjali:

Cheers, Thomas
With metta :bow:
Graham
User avatar
GrahamR
 
Posts: 101
Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:13 pm
Location: Surat Thani, Thailand

Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby Zom » Sat May 22, 2010 9:56 am

Ajahn Jayasaro said that Dhammakaya is a very dangerous sect :stirthepot:
User avatar
Zom
 
Posts: 878
Joined: Fri May 08, 2009 6:38 pm
Location: Russia, Saint-Petersburg

Wat Dhammakaya

Postby GrahamR » Sat May 22, 2010 2:09 pm

Hi

I would agree, it's certainly not regular Buddhist as I know it, and has many similarities to Christian sects: offers of heaven coupled with threats of hell, a strong emphasis on financial matters etc.

Graham

Zom wrote:Ajahn Jayasaro said that Dhammakaya is a very dangerous sect :stirthepot:
With metta :bow:
Graham
User avatar
GrahamR
 
Posts: 101
Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:13 pm
Location: Surat Thani, Thailand

Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby Halemalu » Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:57 am

FYI: I have been to the Dhammakaya Temple in Bangkok. My fiancee is a member. I have attended their meditation retreats. I have attended many of their ceremonies. I have toured the facilities extensively. I have had monks in my home here in Hawaii. I even have met with both the Vice Abbot and the Abbot. We are also currently looking to establish our retreat center here in Hawaii as a branch of the Middle Way Retreats under the Dhammakaya Foundation.

There is much discussion if the organization can be considered truely Buddhists. Let me assure you that it is. The inner direction is purely Buddhist. The problem is that because of it's size it has to handle things a bit differently than most Buddhists Temples.

With up to 100,000 attending a normal Sunday meditation service and more than 300,000 attending special holidays, things need to be done a bit differently. Modern technology needs to be used like big screen TVs and massive sound systems just to cover the audiances. The structures are simply designed but are massive as to accommodate so many people. There seems to be huge amounts of money donated, but that is to be expected with so many people attending.

The Temple started off modestly many years ago but the message and technique they offer to the public is so accessable and beneficial the crowds just grew larger and larger. With larger crowds and greater donations they were obligated to build structures that could accomodate all those people and develope alternate ways to give the people what they desired.

Because of all of this, it does look like on the surface to be just a money obsessed cult. But believe me it is not. It has become so popular because they emphasize the importance of meditation to gain merit and have encouraged laypeople to learn and share in the benefits of meditation. Unlike other Theravaden groups that mostly promote a monastic life, scripture and alms giving, the Dhammakaya Temple has put a greater importance on meditation for not only the Monks but also the laypeople. The laypeople have embraced this concept and that is why we see such hugh numbers attending the Dhammakaya Temple.

In modern times with so many followers different techniques are required to accommodate and satisfy the spiritual hunger of all those individuals. It is these "new" techniques that are frowned upon and misunderstood by so many traditionalists. Believe me though, the message is still the same. The Dhammakaya foundation has just wraped it in a new package!

If you have any specific questions just let me know and I will be glad to answer them the best I can.

Rejoice in our merits!

Halemalu - The Place of Peace
Halemalu
The Place of Peace
User avatar
Halemalu
 
Posts: 2
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:18 am
Location: Hawaii - USA

Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby exonesion » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:26 am

GrahamR wrote:Hi

I would agree, it's certainly not regular Buddhist as I know it, and has many similarities to Christian sects: offers of heaven coupled with threats of hell, a strong emphasis on financial matters etc.

Graham

Zom wrote:Ajahn Jayasaro said that Dhammakaya is a very dangerous sect :stirthepot:


They did mention that rebirth into those planes depend on the store of merits everyone have.
"Stopping is the secret of success".
exonesion
 
Posts: 3
Joined: Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:23 am
Location: Singapore

Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby appicchato » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:30 am

Being an uncountable noun, it's 'merit', not 'merits'...minor, I know, although it seems (to me) to alter the meaning... :focus:
User avatar
appicchato
 
Posts: 1603
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:47 am
Location: Bridge on the River Kwae

Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby farmer » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:54 pm

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... d?page=0,1

This photo essay on Wat Dhammakaya is stunning.
farmer
 
Posts: 44
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:42 am

Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:00 am

farmer wrote:http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/01/20/close_encounters_of_the_buddhist_kind?page=0,1

This photo essay on Wat Dhammakaya is stunning.
Stunningly frightening, and the central building remarkably ugly.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
User avatar
tiltbillings
 
Posts: 19899
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:25 am

Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby Goofaholix » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:40 am

tiltbillings wrote:
This photo essay on Wat Dhammakaya is stunning.
Stunningly frightening, and the central building remarkably ugly.


If I believe the local real estate agent advertising every second house in my city is stunning.

Perhaps the electrical wiring isn't so good.
"Proper effort is not the effort to make something particular happen. It is the effort to be aware and awake each moment." - Ajahn Chah
"When we see beyond self, we no longer cling to happiness. When we stop clinging, we can begin to be happy." - Ajahn Chah
"Know and watch your heart. It’s pure but emotions come to colour it." — Ajahn Chah
User avatar
Goofaholix
 
Posts: 2029
Joined: Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:49 am
Location: New Zealand

Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:51 am

This sort of overly regimented, mass display has been a favorite of Nazi Germany and various Communist regimes. There is simply something very wrong with this.

But at least we know know where this flying saucer is now:

Image

Here:
Attachments
nuremburg.jpg
nuremburg.jpg (51.57 KiB) Viewed 3101 times
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
User avatar
tiltbillings
 
Posts: 19899
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:25 am

Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby alan » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:52 am

Ok, Halemalu, I have a specific question. Will you please describe the meditation technique advocated by this group, and why you believe it is beneficial.
alan
 
Posts: 2604
Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:14 am
Location: Miramar beach, Fl.

Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby Euclid » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:19 am

tiltbillings wrote:This sort of overly regimented, mass display has been a favorite of Nazi Germany and various Communist regimes.


Criticising this group is one thing, but let's at least try and keep the rhetoric sensible.
Euclid
 
Posts: 200
Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:33 am
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:52 am

Euclid wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:This sort of overly regimented, mass display has been a favorite of Nazi Germany and various Communist regimes.


Criticising this group is one thing, but let's at least try and keep the rhetoric sensible.
Look at the imagery of the massive regimented ceremony. That has nothing to do with the Dhamma, but it has everything to do with the aggrandizement of Dhammakaya organization, and where would you find anything comparable in imagery to those photos?

I am not saying that the Dhammakaya organization is Nazi or Communist in its ideology, but I am saying that such regimentation is an expression of power of an organization over large numbers of human beings. It is a form of muscle flexing.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
User avatar
tiltbillings
 
Posts: 19899
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:25 am

Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby Euclid » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:04 am

Right then, thanks for clarifying. I agree.
Euclid
 
Posts: 200
Joined: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:33 am
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

PreviousNext

Return to Theravāda for the modern world

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Yahoo [Bot] and 6 guests