Faulty logic:tiltbillings wrote:Suffering is also a dhatu.
Suffering is a dhatu.
Nibbana is a dhatu.
Suffering is Nibbana.
Faulty logic:tiltbillings wrote:Suffering is also a dhatu.
Faultless logic:tiltbillings wrote:Suffering is also a dhatu.
Really? Does a dhatu exist or not exist?Element wrote:Buddha said Nibbana was a dhatu or element.kowtaaia wrote:Nibbana exists.
Where you aren't. It is when conditioning comes to an end.tiltbillings wrote:Nibbana exists where, and how?kowtaaia wrote:Nibbana exists.
Thankyou for your pointing, kow.kowtaaia wrote:Where you aren't. It is when conditioning comes to an end.tiltbillings wrote:Nibbana exists where, and how?kowtaaia wrote:Nibbana exists.
What sort of conditioning and where aren't I?kowtaaia wrote:Where you aren't. It is when conditioning comes to an end.tiltbillings wrote:Nibbana exists where, and how?kowtaaia wrote:Nibbana exists.
Nibbana is the cessation of greed, hatred & delusion. Nibbana is unshakeable freedom of mind.kowtaaia wrote:It is when conditioning comes to an end.
The tranqilising of formations that occurs in concentration is not Nibbana although connected to Nibbana (MN 29 & 30).One neither fabricates nor mentally fashions for the sake of becoming or un-becoming. This being the case, one is not sustained by anything in the world (does not cling to anything in the world). Unsustained, one is not agitated. Unagitated, one is totally unbound right within.
MN 140
Would you care to elaborate upon the the nature of that connection?Element wrote:The tranqilising of formations that occurs in concentration is not Nibbana although connected to Nibbana.
It is stream to Nibbana. It is baby Nibbana and teenage Nibbana. But if it is attached to or fixated on the unconditioned, it is "cotton wool" Nibbana rather than fearless free Nibbana. Whilst Buddha mentioned the uncreated (asankhata), he emphasised the cessation of greed, hatred and delusion as Nibbana.retrofuturist wrote:The tranqilising of formations that occurs in concentration is not Nibbana although connected to Nibbana.
Would you care to elaborate upon the the nature of that connection?
The psychological phenomenon is the conditioned state. The unconditioned is manifest when conditioning comes to an end. It's very simple. It has nothing to do with concentration, which is the focusing of thought, the conditioned.Element wrote:Nibbana is the cessation of greed, hatred & delusion. Nibbana is unshakeable freedom of mind.kowtaaia wrote:It is when conditioning comes to an end.
Nibbana is beyond conditioning and non-conditioning. Buddha said:The tranqilising of formations that occurs in concentration is not Nibbana although connected to Nibbana (MN 29 & 30).One neither fabricates nor mentally fashions for the sake of becoming or un-becoming. This being the case, one is not sustained by anything in the world (does not cling to anything in the world). Unsustained, one is not agitated. Unagitated, one is totally unbound right within.
MN 140
Nibbana is freedom. It is beyond the "fragile cotton wool state" of "when conditioning comes to an end".
Conditioning, period. The second part of the question has already been answered.tiltbillings wrote:
What sort of conditioning and where aren't I?
Since this is a Theravadin forum, please be kind enough to back this up with a few quotes from the Pali suttas.Conditioning, period. The second part of the question has already been answered.
The word Nibbana means "not piercing; without pain". Many searched for Nibbana and had their version of Nibbana.kowtaaia wrote:The psychological phenomenon is the conditioned state. The unconditioned is manifest when conditioning comes to an end. It's very simple. It has nothing to do with concentration, which is the focusing of thought, the conditioned.
‘The removal of lust, the removal of hatred, the removal of delusion is the designation for the element of Nibbana…. is the Deathless. The destruction of the taints is spoken of in that way’.
SN 45.7