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Anapanasati

Postby widfola » Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:51 pm

Can anybody shed light on this :- Is there any definitive meaning for Anapanasati. Is it mindfulness OF breathing or is it mindfulness WITH breathing.

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Re: Anapanasati

Postby David N. Snyder » Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:54 pm

I have always seen it as OF breathing.

anapanasati [aanaapaanasati]: Mindfulness of breathing. A meditation practice in which one maintains one's attention and mindfulness on the sensations of breathing.
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Re: Anapanasati

Postby PeterB » Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:33 pm

I think thats its OF breathing Wildfola.
We awaken and hone mindfulness by focusing on the breath.
Mindfulness doesnt simply arise with the breath or prior to the breath.
It takes effort.
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Re: Anapanasati

Postby Virgo » Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:40 pm

It is mindfulness of breathing in and out.


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Re: Anapanasati

Postby PeterB » Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:37 pm

Breathing in and out is the sign of not being dead.

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Postby Cittasanto » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:35 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Anapanasati

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Re: Anapanasati

Postby rowyourboat » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:18 pm

sanskrit 'prana' means life. However in this case 'ana' 'pana' means 'in' 'out' as far as I am aware. So it literally means 'mindfulness of in and out breathing'. If you want to be mindful of other things there is the world to pick from in the satipatthana sutta. However if you look at the instructions in the anapanasati sutta it seems to suggest WITH as much as OF. (with mind, with joy, with etc etc)
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Re: Anapanasati

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:34 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Anapanasati

Postby bodom » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:52 pm

I would say the first two steps in the first tetrad refer specifically to mindfulness OF breathing. There is some doubt regarding the third and fourth steps due to the ambiguity of the term "whole body", whether it refers to the breath body or the physical body. The second, third and fourth tetrads corresponding to feelings, mind and dhammas, are specifically mindfulness WITH breathing .This is supported by Buddhadasa and Analayo who both say that "Awareness of breathing in and out forms the background to each step." See Analayo's Satipatthana commentary along with Buddhadasa's Mindfulness with Breathing.

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Re: Anapanasati

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Re: Anapanasati

Postby Ben » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:00 am

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Re: Anapanasati

Postby BlackBird » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:25 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -


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