Thanks.
I am very pleased about your enthusiasm in Abhidamma.
I like your Blogg idea.
Anatta, Sakkaya-ditthi (self view),Mana (pride)?
Re: Anatta, Sakkaya-ditthi (self view),Mana (pride)?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: Anatta, Sakkaya-ditthi (self view),Mana (pride)?
My idea is a part of tipitaka memorizer knowledge. I also know about western and thai behaviour in dhamma study.SarathW wrote:Thanks.
I am very pleased about your enthusiasm in Abhidamma.
I like your Blogg idea.
Reading made important idea lost from reader. Memorizing let losting gone.
We will understand tipitaka as it is, if we memorize it in right step.
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Tipitaka memorization is a rule of monks. It isn't just a choice. They must done it.
bahussuto nāma tividho hoti – nissayamuccanako, parisupaṭṭhāpako, bhikkhunovādakoti.
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Tipitaka memorization is a rule of monks. It isn't just a choice. They must done it.
bahussuto nāma tividho hoti – nissayamuccanako, parisupaṭṭhāpako, bhikkhunovādakoti.
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Re: Anatta, Sakkaya-ditthi (self view),Mana (pride)?
The pāḷi māna is less ‘pride’ as ‘conception’ eg. Mahāniddesa 15 “Māno means conception, the state of conception; hautiness, loftiness, a distinction, a holding-up, the desire for prominence.” (“Yo evarūpo māno maññanā maññitattaṃ uṇṇati uṇṇamo dhajo saṃpaggāho, ketukamyatā cittassa, ayaṃ vuccati māno”). Thusly asmimāna is the “notion ‘I am’” with reference to the pañcakkhandhā.
“I say, beware of all enterprises that require new clothes, and not rather a new wearer of clothes.” – Henry David Thoreau, Walden, 1854
Secure your own mask before assisting others. – NORTHWEST AIRLINES (Pre-Flight Instruction)
A Handful of Leaves
Secure your own mask before assisting others. – NORTHWEST AIRLINES (Pre-Flight Instruction)
A Handful of Leaves
Re: Anatta, Sakkaya-ditthi (self view),Mana (pride)?
See above pali, mana is seperate self from another. It is not only pride. However anagami has no ditthi, but anagami still has mano. So mana is not notion "atta".ancientbuddhism wrote:The pāḷi māna is less ‘pride’ as ‘conception’ eg. Mahāniddesa 15 “Māno means conception, the state of conception; hautiness, loftiness, a distinction, a holding-up, the desire for prominence.” (“Yo evarūpo māno maññanā maññitattaṃ uṇṇati uṇṇamo dhajo saṃpaggāho, ketukamyatā cittassa, ayaṃ vuccati māno”). Thusly asmimāna is the “notion ‘I am’” with reference to the pañcakkhandhā.
People who have mana think "anicca" less than arahanta. This is really important key word.
Public marker (tilakkhana) let arahan know "I am not difference from the other".
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Tipitaka memorization is a rule of monks. It isn't just a choice. They must done it.
bahussuto nāma tividho hoti – nissayamuccanako, parisupaṭṭhāpako, bhikkhunovādakoti.
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Tipitaka memorization is a rule of monks. It isn't just a choice. They must done it.
bahussuto nāma tividho hoti – nissayamuccanako, parisupaṭṭhāpako, bhikkhunovādakoti.
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Re: Anatta, Sakkaya-ditthi (self view),Mana (pride)?
theY,
I was responding to the OP with reference to anicca, sakkāya, māna. It seems you are having an entirely different discussion.
I was responding to the OP with reference to anicca, sakkāya, māna. It seems you are having an entirely different discussion.
“I say, beware of all enterprises that require new clothes, and not rather a new wearer of clothes.” – Henry David Thoreau, Walden, 1854
Secure your own mask before assisting others. – NORTHWEST AIRLINES (Pre-Flight Instruction)
A Handful of Leaves
Secure your own mask before assisting others. – NORTHWEST AIRLINES (Pre-Flight Instruction)
A Handful of Leaves
Re: Anatta, Sakkaya-ditthi (self view),Mana (pride)?
Everything has own conception. Arahan also compare state of being between themselves and the other, such as buddha compared himself with veranjabrahma, etc.ancientbuddhism wrote:The pāḷi māna is less ‘pride’ as ‘conception’ eg. Mahāniddesa 15 “Māno means conception, the state of conception; hautiness, loftiness, a distinction, a holding-up, the desire for prominence.” (“Yo evarūpo māno maññanā maññitattaṃ uṇṇati uṇṇamo dhajo saṃpaggāho, ketukamyatā cittassa, ayaṃ vuccati māno”). Thusly asmimāna is the “notion ‘I am’” with reference to the pañcakkhandhā.
Your answer is good but it is not enough.
I telling you the way to know mana as it is. It is the way that tipitaka taught you. But you decide to mark it as "OP".
Mahaniddesa taught you a defination of mana. But you can't understand it completely right, if you don't understand it by your vipassana wisdom and take dhamma step by step in tipitaka memorizing learning system.
Reading is not enough.
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Tipitaka memorization is a rule of monks. It isn't just a choice. They must done it.
bahussuto nāma tividho hoti – nissayamuccanako, parisupaṭṭhāpako, bhikkhunovādakoti.
http://UnmixedTheravada.blogspot.com/20 ... monks.html
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Tipitaka memorization is a rule of monks. It isn't just a choice. They must done it.
bahussuto nāma tividho hoti – nissayamuccanako, parisupaṭṭhāpako, bhikkhunovādakoti.
http://UnmixedTheravada.blogspot.com/20 ... monks.html
Re: Anatta, Sakkaya-ditthi (self view),Mana (pride)?
In Video 18 this monk explain that taking five aggregate (on which we have no control over it and dependently originated) as I, me, and myself as Sakkaya-ditthi. (wrong view)SarathW wrote:Now I heard from few Sri Lankan monks that the word Anatta does not relate to Sakkaya-ditthi or Mana.
Anatta means the inability to stop the process of impermanence and Stress (Dukkha)
I have lot of respect for the knowledge of the monk in this video.
Unfortunately it is in Sinhala language.
I just post it here to substantiate my source.
https://o/watch?v=Do2gKV91Bc0
So it appears Anicca means the entropy. (going from order to disorder and vice versa)
We do not have the control over the objects subject to o change (Anatta).
So taking these object as I me and myself is the Sakkaya-Ditthi.
So Anatta and wrong view are two different things.
Mana is the result of wrong view.
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Re: Anatta, Sakkaya-ditthi (self view),Mana (pride)?
Yes, sakkāya-diṭṭhi is taking up the pañcakkhandhā as atta or asmi, both directly indicating the eternal Ātman.SarathW wrote: …taking five aggregate (on which we have no control over it and dependently originated) as I, me, and myself as Sakkaya-ditthi.
I’m not sure what you mean by entropy, the simplest explanation of which is the effect one gets when pissing on a hot radiator. But if it makes anicca clear for you why quibble. The order you gave is correct though; realisation of anicca is the contemplative perception of it (aniccasaññā), which ultimately leads to Nibbāna.SarathW wrote:So it appears Anicca means the entropy. (going from order to disorder and vice versa)
We do not have the control over the objects subject to o change (Anatta).
So taking these object as I me and myself is the Sakkaya-Ditthi.
- “aniccasaññā bhāvetabbā asmimānasamugghātāya. aniccasaññino hi, meghiya, anattasaññā saṇṭhāti, anattasaññī asmimānasamugghātaṃ pāpuṇāti diṭṭheva dhamme nibbāna”nti.
“Perception of impermanence should be developed for the removal of the notion ‘I am’. Because of perception of impermanence, Meghiya, one is established in perception of no-self, with perception of no-self one comes to the removal of the notion ‘I am’ and knows the state of Nibbāna.” Sambodhipakkhiya Sutta (AN. 9.1), Meghiya Sutta(AN.9.3)
Anatta is the most significant perception prior to Nibbāna, thus it is a perception of ultimate right-view. Māna are just presumptions of ‘self’ or other things, that when unchecked lead to wrong-view’.SarathW wrote:So Anatta and wrong view are two different things.
Mana is the result of wrong view.
“I say, beware of all enterprises that require new clothes, and not rather a new wearer of clothes.” – Henry David Thoreau, Walden, 1854
Secure your own mask before assisting others. – NORTHWEST AIRLINES (Pre-Flight Instruction)
A Handful of Leaves
Secure your own mask before assisting others. – NORTHWEST AIRLINES (Pre-Flight Instruction)
A Handful of Leaves
Re: Anatta, Sakkaya-ditthi (self view),Mana (pride)?
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Tipitaka memorization is a rule of monks. It isn't just a choice. They must done it.
bahussuto nāma tividho hoti – nissayamuccanako, parisupaṭṭhāpako, bhikkhunovādakoti.
http://UnmixedTheravada.blogspot.com/20 ... monks.html
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Tipitaka memorization is a rule of monks. It isn't just a choice. They must done it.
bahussuto nāma tividho hoti – nissayamuccanako, parisupaṭṭhāpako, bhikkhunovādakoti.
http://UnmixedTheravada.blogspot.com/20 ... monks.html
Re: Anatta, Sakkaya-ditthi (self view),Mana (pride)?
Translation Problem: Self=Niyaka-Ajjhatta=Attano, Other Person=Bahiddhā=Parassa, But Attā=4 MembersSarathW wrote:Perhaps the meaning of Anatta is best explained in the following Sutta.
Anatta-lakkhana Sutta
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .nymo.html
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Tipitaka memorization is a rule of monks. It isn't just a choice. They must done it.
bahussuto nāma tividho hoti – nissayamuccanako, parisupaṭṭhāpako, bhikkhunovādakoti.
http://UnmixedTheravada.blogspot.com/20 ... monks.html
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Tipitaka memorization is a rule of monks. It isn't just a choice. They must done it.
bahussuto nāma tividho hoti – nissayamuccanako, parisupaṭṭhāpako, bhikkhunovādakoti.
http://UnmixedTheravada.blogspot.com/20 ... monks.html
Re: Anatta, Sakkaya-ditthi (self view),Mana (pride)?
Let's See: How It Hard To Let People Get In "Self" Word Of Diṭṭhi And Māna
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=28981
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=28981
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Tipitaka memorization is a rule of monks. It isn't just a choice. They must done it.
bahussuto nāma tividho hoti – nissayamuccanako, parisupaṭṭhāpako, bhikkhunovādakoti.
http://UnmixedTheravada.blogspot.com/20 ... monks.html
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Tipitaka memorization is a rule of monks. It isn't just a choice. They must done it.
bahussuto nāma tividho hoti – nissayamuccanako, parisupaṭṭhāpako, bhikkhunovādakoti.
http://UnmixedTheravada.blogspot.com/20 ... monks.html