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abhidhammic perspective on delusion

Postby Coëmgenu » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:04 am

What is the Abhidhammic perspective on the origination of ignorance and/or delusion in light of the absence or inviability of a self to be deluded?

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Re: abhidhammic perspective on delusion

Postby aflatun » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:58 am

"People often get too quick to say 'there's no self. There's no self...no self...no self.' There is self, there is focal point, its not yours. That's what not self is."

Ninoslav Ñāṇamoli
Senses and the Thought-1, 42:53

"Those who create constructs about the Buddha,
Who is beyond construction and without exhaustion,
Are thereby damaged by their constructs;
They fail to see the Thus-Gone.

That which is the nature of the Thus-Gone
Is also the nature of this world.
There is no nature of the Thus-Gone.
There is no nature of the world."

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MMK XXII.15-16

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Re: abhidhammic perspective on delusion

Postby aflatun » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:35 am

"People often get too quick to say 'there's no self. There's no self...no self...no self.' There is self, there is focal point, its not yours. That's what not self is."

Ninoslav Ñāṇamoli
Senses and the Thought-1, 42:53

"Those who create constructs about the Buddha,
Who is beyond construction and without exhaustion,
Are thereby damaged by their constructs;
They fail to see the Thus-Gone.

That which is the nature of the Thus-Gone
Is also the nature of this world.
There is no nature of the Thus-Gone.
There is no nature of the world."

Nagarjuna
MMK XXII.15-16

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Re: abhidhammic perspective on delusion

Postby befriend » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:22 pm

Out of the three personality types the delusional kind is someone who would walk into a room and not know what to do or say and not really know what's going on. Neutrality causes people to space out don't know if that's delusion I think it might be. I would look into reactions to neutral phenomena and what are the exaggerated forms of reactions to neutrality.
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Re: abhidhammic perspective on delusion

Postby theY » Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:35 am

Avijjā=No knowledge about cause and effect.
Diṭṭhi=Wrong knowledge about cause and effect.

Although, someone stopped to take a drug. But they can desire and take a drug again anytime, if they don't have learned about drug's flaw.

Avijjā is a root of paṭiccasamuppāda because everyone "when someone enlighten (kill avijjā) 4 noble truth, that person will not desire (taṇhā-paṭiccasamuppāda) and will do not do (saṅkhāra-paṭiccasamuppāda) anything to let dukkha-noble-truth arise anymore".
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