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Pali Term: Satipaṭṭhāna

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Re: Pali Term: Satipaṭṭhāna

Postby ToVincent » Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:46 pm

We are all possessed - more or less.
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And what, bhikkhu, is inward rottenness? Here someone is immoral, one of evil character, of impure and suspect behaviour, secretive in his acts, no ascetic though claiming to be one, not a celibate though claiming to be one, inwardly rotten, corrupt, depraved. This is called inward rottenness.”
SN 35.241
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Just as a chunk of salt, cast in water, loses its form and keeps only its taste; so does one who deals with the deathless loses himself in that reality.
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Re: Pali Term: Satipaṭṭhāna

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Re: Pali Term: Satipaṭṭhāna

Postby ToVincent » Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:45 pm

Note on Upaṭṭheti,[Caus.of upaṭṭhahati]:
Attend, look after, cares for, to be ready,to be present.

Thanissaro and Bodhi have translated "parimukhaṃ satiṃ upaṭṭhapetvā" as "setting mindfulness to the fore" (in front of him). (ctrl S on upaṭṭh).
You can see that in the alternate translation, upaṭṭhitā has been translated as "present". Meaning that the sati is attended, looked after, ready, cared for.
"To the fore" takes the meaning of a mindfulness that is the outpost, the first bastion of defence.
The somewhat literal translation of "parimukhaṃ satiṃ upaṭṭhapetvā" becomes then: "making sati present to the front".
Wich goes pretty well with a satipaṭṭhāna that means: "standing (firmly) guarding/preserving sati" (the memory [of the Dhamma/Teaching]).
In other words, you guard/preserve the Teaching [by remembering it and applying it]; and put that Teaching in the front, as your outpost. The first defense of not being "that" or being "in that" [SN 35.95]. Or the way to discern the nimitta (attribute) of your own mind (citta/feeling-perception) [SN 47.8]; etc. - being paññavimutti (liberated in discernment,) and cetovimutti (liberated in mind).
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Note on right-effort (sammā-vāyāma):
The accurate definition of "right effort" might be this https://suttacentral.net/en/sn45.8/9 if we refer to this post.
viewtopic.php?f=44&t=28518&p=407824&hilit=right+effort#p407839

Right effort is just the preamble and the continuity in mindfulness.
There is not yet pañña (discernment) of the external and internal wholesome and unwholesome nature of the states in sammāvāyāma.
Sammāvāyāma is just the discernment of the nature of the states (viz. good or bad).
Sati, as Teaching applied AND recollection of the Teaching (done & said), is what takes one to the next level of discernment.
Sati is more concerned with the self-view. Making sure that we are not the "That" of the "by That". Making sure to cultivate the nimitta of our own citta and keep the "That" at bay.
We are all possessed - more or less.
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And what, bhikkhu, is inward rottenness? Here someone is immoral, one of evil character, of impure and suspect behaviour, secretive in his acts, no ascetic though claiming to be one, not a celibate though claiming to be one, inwardly rotten, corrupt, depraved. This is called inward rottenness.”
SN 35.241
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Just as a chunk of salt, cast in water, loses its form and keeps only its taste; so does one who deals with the deathless loses himself in that reality.
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https://justpaste.it/j5o4

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Re: Pali Term: Satipaṭṭhāna

Postby Dmytro » Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:42 pm

Hi,

As for "parimukhaṃ", - the earliest and hence most reliable explanation of this term can be found in Vibhanga, - as the area at the tip of the nose (nāsikagge) or at the lip of the mouth (mukhanimitte):

"Parimukha.m sati.m upa.t.thapetvaa"ti tattha katamaa sati? Yaa sati anussati pa.tissati …pe… sammaasati - aya.m vuccati "sati". Aya.m sati upa.t.thitaa hoti supa.t.thitaa naasikagge vaa mukhanimitte vaa. Tena vuccati "parimukha.m sati.m upa.t.thapetvaa"ti.

Vibhangapali .252

The translation "in front" is probably a result of commentarial error, - see http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5636


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Re: Pali Term: Satipaṭṭhāna

Postby ToVincent » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:42 pm

We are all possessed - more or less.
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And what, bhikkhu, is inward rottenness? Here someone is immoral, one of evil character, of impure and suspect behaviour, secretive in his acts, no ascetic though claiming to be one, not a celibate though claiming to be one, inwardly rotten, corrupt, depraved. This is called inward rottenness.”
SN 35.241
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Just as a chunk of salt, cast in water, loses its form and keeps only its taste; so does one who deals with the deathless loses himself in that reality.
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https://justpaste.it/j5o4

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We are all possessed - more or less.
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And what, bhikkhu, is inward rottenness? Here someone is immoral, one of evil character, of impure and suspect behaviour, secretive in his acts, no ascetic though claiming to be one, not a celibate though claiming to be one, inwardly rotten, corrupt, depraved. This is called inward rottenness.”
SN 35.241
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Just as a chunk of salt, cast in water, loses its form and keeps only its taste; so does one who deals with the deathless loses himself in that reality.
------
https://justpaste.it/j5o4

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Re: Pali Term: Satipaṭṭhāna

Postby ToVincent » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:19 pm

We are all possessed - more or less.
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And what, bhikkhu, is inward rottenness? Here someone is immoral, one of evil character, of impure and suspect behaviour, secretive in his acts, no ascetic though claiming to be one, not a celibate though claiming to be one, inwardly rotten, corrupt, depraved. This is called inward rottenness.”
SN 35.241
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Just as a chunk of salt, cast in water, loses its form and keeps only its taste; so does one who deals with the deathless loses himself in that reality.
------
https://justpaste.it/j5o4

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Re: Pali Term: Satipaṭṭhāna

Postby ToVincent » Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:53 pm

We are all possessed - more or less.
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And what, bhikkhu, is inward rottenness? Here someone is immoral, one of evil character, of impure and suspect behaviour, secretive in his acts, no ascetic though claiming to be one, not a celibate though claiming to be one, inwardly rotten, corrupt, depraved. This is called inward rottenness.”
SN 35.241
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Just as a chunk of salt, cast in water, loses its form and keeps only its taste; so does one who deals with the deathless loses himself in that reality.
------
https://justpaste.it/j5o4

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Re: Pali Term: Satipaṭṭhāna

Postby ToVincent » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:03 pm

We are all possessed - more or less.
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And what, bhikkhu, is inward rottenness? Here someone is immoral, one of evil character, of impure and suspect behaviour, secretive in his acts, no ascetic though claiming to be one, not a celibate though claiming to be one, inwardly rotten, corrupt, depraved. This is called inward rottenness.”
SN 35.241
------
Just as a chunk of salt, cast in water, loses its form and keeps only its taste; so does one who deals with the deathless loses himself in that reality.
------
https://justpaste.it/j5o4

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Re: Pali Term: Satipaṭṭhāna

Postby ToVincent » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:29 am

We are all possessed - more or less.
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And what, bhikkhu, is inward rottenness? Here someone is immoral, one of evil character, of impure and suspect behaviour, secretive in his acts, no ascetic though claiming to be one, not a celibate though claiming to be one, inwardly rotten, corrupt, depraved. This is called inward rottenness.”
SN 35.241
------
Just as a chunk of salt, cast in water, loses its form and keeps only its taste; so does one who deals with the deathless loses himself in that reality.
------
https://justpaste.it/j5o4

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Re: Pali Term: Satipaṭṭhāna

Postby ToVincent » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:02 pm

We are all possessed - more or less.
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And what, bhikkhu, is inward rottenness? Here someone is immoral, one of evil character, of impure and suspect behaviour, secretive in his acts, no ascetic though claiming to be one, not a celibate though claiming to be one, inwardly rotten, corrupt, depraved. This is called inward rottenness.”
SN 35.241
------
Just as a chunk of salt, cast in water, loses its form and keeps only its taste; so does one who deals with the deathless loses himself in that reality.
------
https://justpaste.it/j5o4

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Re: Pali Term: Satipaṭṭhāna

Postby Dmytro » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:02 pm

Thank you for the post!

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Re: Pali Term: Satipaṭṭhāna

Postby ToVincent » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:55 pm

We are all possessed - more or less.
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And what, bhikkhu, is inward rottenness? Here someone is immoral, one of evil character, of impure and suspect behaviour, secretive in his acts, no ascetic though claiming to be one, not a celibate though claiming to be one, inwardly rotten, corrupt, depraved. This is called inward rottenness.”
SN 35.241
------
Just as a chunk of salt, cast in water, loses its form and keeps only its taste; so does one who deals with the deathless loses himself in that reality.
------
https://justpaste.it/j5o4

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Re: Pali Term: Satipaṭṭhāna

Postby alfred keoy » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:08 am

Satipaṭṭhāna = sati + upaṭṭhāna . upaṭṭhāna= upa(prefix) + ṭhāna(place). upa=near, towards, next to.
Satipaṭṭhāna means: place your mindfulness closely to any of the four frame (such as kāyānupassi, vedanānupassi, etc)

kāyānupassi = kāya + anupassi. anupassi = anu + passi (saw -past tense). anu(prefix) = towards.
anupassi= observed or comtemplated.
kāyānupassi = comtemplate or observe change in the body (the breath is consider as kāya).

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