Why life does not really exist

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manas
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Re: Why life does not really exist

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chownah wrote:
manas wrote: That is not to say that consciousness is self; but rather, that it is immaterial, does not arise from some special combination of matter, and is at least as real as the atoms and molecules that make up these bodies of ours.
There are many things considered to be immaterial which are considered to arise from things considered to be material.......things like magnetic fields, electric fields, gravity etc. So I guess it might not be so unusual for one to think of consciousness as arising from the material. Can you give a reason why you think this does not happen?
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Hi chownah,

I can recall (reading) Ajahn Chah as making that distinction also, that matter is one thing, and mind another. I really don't know how Buddhists can allow the kind of nihilism that has pervaded much of modern scientific thought to invade their own thinking. Can you actually see these words? There, that's an instance of consciousness. The force of gravity can't see these words. The Earth's magnetic field can't see these words. But you can. It's not rocket science, it's actually self-evident. No amount of clever combining of atoms and molecules can produce even one moment of conscious experience. We have managed to send human beings to the moon, but we have not been able to create even one single-celled organism (such as an amoeba, for example), even with all of our technology. That's because living things come from other living things, they don't arise out of dead things. As for how it all began, well that's one of those imponderables that we need not trouble ourselves with, is it not?

metta,
manas.
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Re: Why life does not really exist

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manas,
You say that the earth's magnetic field can not see these words, but why not say that my dna's consciousness can. In both cases there is the supposition that there is a material self which gives rise to a non material self..in one case the ability to see is not manifest and in the other case it is........in one case the ability to deflect the needle in a compass is manifest and in the other it is not. Why is one view acceptable to you while one is not?

Also, I think you are not aware of the advances in the field of artificial life....pretty much all of the chemicals of life have been fabricated and shown to be effective in maintaining life. Perhaps no one has actually started with inorganic compounds and ended up with a living cell but it really does seem that in principle it could be done......and if not now then surely in the near future. Nothing has been found that indicates that doing this would be anything other than just manipulation of physical chemicals and there is no life chemical which presents what seems to be an insurmountable problem.

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Re: Why life does not really exist

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Buckwheat wrote:Your quote defines dynamic equilibrium, but does not deny the possibility of static equilibrium. N2 has a triple bond and is ridiculously stable, so a closed system consisting of N2 and 02 wouldn't react with each other at all. It would be a chemically static equilibrium.
True. But particles would still be moving around. I should have used that as the example: particles are always moving. There is always movement.
Dave is right: looking for anicca through physics is a waste of time. We don't need to prove anicca. We need to see it with our own eyes. Otherwise the science suffers as we try to mold it into our Buddhist views (and vice versa).
Agreed. I just find the parallels between the Buddha's teaching and much of science most extraordinary whilst being well aware of the limitations of comparison.
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Re: Why life does not really exist

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Hello all,

Interesting -
The Science of Why the Past is Different from the Future - Animated
http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/ ... e-entropy/

With metta,
Chris
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---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---
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