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Non-Mahavihara Theravada?

Postby greenjuice » Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:42 am

Are there any Theravadins, that is- people accepting the Tipitaka, but that don't follow the Mahavihara interpretation, but Jetavana or Abhayagiri? Or are there people following the Mahasanghika/ Lokittaravada interpretation instead of the Sthaviravada one, and I'm not talking about Mahayana and those who accept extra sutras.

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Re: Non-Mahavihara Theravada?

Postby cooran » Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:53 am

Hello green juice,

This previous thread may be of interest:

How Theravada is Theravada? - Exploring Buddhist identities
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=12929

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Re: Non-Mahavihara Theravada?

Postby greenjuice » Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:12 am

I'm guessing there is no pdf of that book :popcorn:

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Re: Non-Mahavihara Theravada?

Postby greenjuice » Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:30 am

Interesting info, thanks. First time I hear about contemporary pudgalavadins. I cannot find much online resources about both of those mentioned 'personalists', I suppose there are no organisations following their teachings?

Also, are there any Buddhist teachers or groups that accept the Pali canon, without accepting the later Mahayana sutras, but do explicitly accept the doctrines associated with various mahayana schools like citta as the real self, and the notion of Buddha-nature/ eternal Buddha?

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Re: Non-Mahavihara Theravada?

Postby pulga » Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:08 pm

And then there is Mrs. Rhys Davids -- a long-time president of the Pali Text Society no less -- and those who came under her influence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_A ... hys_Davids

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Re: Non-Mahavihara Theravada?

Postby BlackBird » Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:13 pm

I'm one of those non-mahaviharan Theravadans. No Abhidhamma or flux or 3-life-time interpretation of dependent arising for me. The commentaries are not seen by me to have been created by Ariyans but by scholar monks, and by their own admission where they differ from the Suttas, the Suttas are to be given primacy, so I do. I don't throw the baby out with the bathwater mind you, but I don't trust the commentaries as being authoritative and I evaluate any point made within the prism of my heterodox ideas.

In essence, I only take the Digha, Majjhima, Samyutta, Anguttara, and portions of the KN (Dhammapada, Sutta Nipata, Udana & Itivuttaka, Theri/Theragatha, Khuddakapatha, & Jatakas) to be Buddhavacana, along with the Vinaya these are the only books I accept to be the historical Buddha's teachings.

At times I have been arrogant, dismissive and mean towards Mahaviharan followers. I have long since grown up and realized that while I think I might be on the right track, I cannot be sure and until that time where I might be sure, I have no right to dismiss the Orthodox as being wrong, and myself right. These days when speaking with orthodox Theravadins I try to focus on the large amount of stuff we have in common rather than the details to which we differ. But this is merely a disclaimer, as because of my past abrasive rantings people can be quick to jump on the defensive when I state my beliefs.

If you're interested more in what I and others like me think, there are links in my signature.

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Re: Non-Mahavihara Theravada?

Postby David N. Snyder » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:21 pm

Hi greenjuice,

I get the impression from your posts that you are having some issues with the Theravada concepts of anatta, nibbana. You also appear to like the Pali Canon and want something close to the original teachings. Nothing wrong with that, I am sure there a number of people with similar issues. One method is to just put it aside for now and continue with your practice. Another is to continue on with your practice, perhaps even following some of those other early schools including the pudgalavādin ones. And then when you make more progress along the Path, you will either confirm those pudgalavādin views or accept anatta fully; through experience.

I imagine at virtually any Theravada Dhamma center there will be some who hold some type of pudgalavādin views, others that follow Theravada Commentaries, others that are Suttanta only, others that are Abhidhammikas, etc. We'll find out which one was right on the "other shore". Theravada / Buddhism is big enough to accommodate us all. :toast:
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Re: Non-Mahavihara Theravada?

Postby Beneath the Wheel » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:51 pm

Is there a book or article or anything where I can read more about the differences between these views being discussed? I've heard it mentioned before that Thai Forest monks may have some views that don't agree with orthodox Theravada teachings and I want to explore this, as I don't normally dig that deep.

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Re: Non-Mahavihara Theravada?

Postby mikenz66 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:58 pm

Hi Beneath the Wheel,

There are literally hundreds of threads on this site discussing different interpretations.
Here's a recent one about Ajahn Mun: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=19302

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Re: Non-Mahavihara Theravada?

Postby Beneath the Wheel » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:31 pm

Thanks for the link. I realize now I should have split my post into two questions:

1) Asking for information about the specific views themselves - Mahavihara, Jetavana, Abhayagiri?, etc.
I realize I can probably rely on wikipedia but I was holding out for something more academic I guess.

2) These views as they relate to Thai Forest monks. I'll take a look at that thread you mentioned. Thanks again.

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