Why life does not really exist

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Re: Why life does not really exist

Postby Mkoll » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:54 am

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Re: Why life does not really exist

Postby Jason » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:21 pm

Reminds me of an interesting idea about what life is from Thomas Mann's The Magic Mountain found in an exchange between Hans Castorp and Director Behrens in a discourse on physiology, which is that life is "primarily the oxidation of cell protein," i.e., that life is dying in the sense that both life and decomposition/corruption are forms of oxidation, a kind of 'burning off' (262). As valid as any other, I guess.
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Re: Why life does not really exist

Postby Mkoll » Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:35 pm

One way or another everything in the universe is being bombarded by destructive cosmic rays and electromagnetic radiation from space objects and stars. Naturally, stars are required for life as we know it to exist. So even as they preserve and provide the energy for life to exist they are destroying life.

Natural irony.

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Re: Why life does not really exist

Postby Buckwheat » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:54 am

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: Why life does not really exist

Postby Spiny Norman » Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:54 am

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Re: Why life does not really exist

Postby chownah » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:37 pm

Entropy extends to life to the extent that life is made up of material substance.......that is to say that the concept of entropy is applied to all physical matter whether living or not.

While it is true that a living thing is not a closed system, if we consider the universe as a closed system the question becomes whether living things can actually avoid the entropic trend toward disorder. Based on the Wikipedia article referenced above it seems that there are different opinions on this.
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Re: Why life does not really exist

Postby Kare » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:16 pm

Mettāya,
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Re: Why life does not really exist

Postby SarathW » Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:44 am

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Why life does not really exist

Postby cooran » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:09 am

Hello SarathW,

Did you read this post by Ven. Dhammanando?
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=19304#p270332

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Re: Why life does not really exist

Postby SarathW » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:17 am

Hi Cooran
Thanks, I have read that as well.
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Re: Why life does not really exist

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Re: Why life does not really exist

Postby kirk5a » Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:45 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Why life does not really exist

Postby robertk » Mon Dec 09, 2013 1:16 pm

see this thread about the rate of rise and fall viewtopic.php?f=16&t=19334

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Re: Why life does not really exist

Postby m0rl0ck » Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:21 pm

So according to the authors conjecture, everything is alive or nothing is?
Choose life :D
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Re: Why life does not really exist

Postby Buckwheat » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:43 pm

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: Why life does not really exist

Postby SarathW » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:40 am

This is my understanding of entropy in relation to cosmos:

The universe is moving from higher order (entropy) to lower order.
Eg: Say you build a house (higher entropy) then the house will be destroy due to time (lower entropy)
The same way universe is moving towards lower entropy so the space and time become zero. Then there will be a big bang and the things start all over again.
Entropy also operate in macro (time and space) and micro ( house) level.
I think above can be applied to life as well.
Why I like entropy is that it confirms Buddha’s teaching impermance. (Anicca)
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Re: Why life does not really exist

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:05 am

Just a technical point. The more disordered the state is, the higher the entropy.

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Re: Why life does not really exist

Postby Buckwheat » Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:03 am

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: Why life does not really exist

Postby Spiny Norman » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:13 pm

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Re: Why life does not really exist

Postby Mkoll » Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:24 am

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
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