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masturbation what's wrong?

Postby sundara » Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:34 am

What's wrong to masturbate once in a while, what has buddhism got to say about that?

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Re: masturbation what's wrong?

Postby clw_uk » Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:12 am

Nothing if your a layman



If your a monk its a no no


However it is engaging in lust, so we should work towards going beyond sexual desire, but nothing "evil" with the act itself (as a layman/woman)


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Re: masturbation what's wrong?

Postby BlackBird » Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:19 am

Well, If you're a layperson there's no rule against it. Plain and simple. The Buddha never made a rule prohibiting the lay person observing the 5 precepts from engaging in masturbation.

From a Dhamma perspective: The process of masturbation and sex relys upon desire, specficially sensual desire.
What is said about sensual pleasures?

From my understanding it is that partaking in sensuality, reinforces sensuality in the future.
To cut it short: It's habit forming, and that habit won't make you happy.

The drawbacks of sensuality are that it binds us to the sensual world, it causes attachment. Craving for sensuality is one of the things that binds one to the wheel of suffering. Furthermore, the pleasure gained from masturbation, or any sensuality for that matter - Is fleeting, inconstant, it is only for a brief time. Why partake in something that offers you only brief pleasure, when far greater happiness awaits, practising the Noble Eightfold Path.

Here is the index of Sutta's relating to this topic:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/index-su ... sensuality

The sutta's would much better elucidate what I am attempting to convey to you. I also hope you can forgive me for being such a hypocrite. It's one thing to see the truth (however dusty my eyes are), it's another to practise it. I have to admit; I am just as bound to sensuality as the next man. From it, I can say one thing though - It's caused me much more grief than pleasure...

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Re: masturbation what's wrong?

Postby kc2dpt » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:16 am

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Re: masturbation what's wrong?

Postby Ben » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:30 am

Perhaps 'wrong' is the wrong word.
At the very least, its unskilful and unwholesome as it creates powerful sankharas of lust that are difficult to eradicate.
My guess is that it is more wholesome to abstain and to develop perfect sila.
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Re: masturbation what's wrong?

Postby Dhammakid » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:42 am

I can attest to the scourge that sensual desire - particularly sexual - is on the development of sila, panna and samadhi. Masturbation especially, it is so very habit forming and quite addictive. Not to mention how it leads one to watching pornography which could be interpreted as sexual misconduct, although I'm not totally sure on that one.

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Re: masturbation what's wrong?

Postby Prasadachitta » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:53 am

Hi,

Masterbation is an intoxicating activity. In my experience it reduces my energy for the good. I don't think it is appropriate to vilify it as an activity. There is much which is intoxicating and energy sapping in the unenlightened quest for temporary satisfaction. On the other hand without vilifying this simple mundane but pleasurable activity I think we can uphold the beauty and value of a person who uses restraint and the cultivation of contentment with the purpose of realizing Dhamma for the benefit of us all. In other words we can promote refraining from sexual activity in order to put time and energy into what has true value without having to make people feel bad about what is already a frustrating enough situation. I am referring to the situation of being human.

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Re: masturbation what's wrong?

Postby Ben » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:10 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
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Re: masturbation what's wrong?

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Re: masturbation what's wrong?

Postby Ben » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:21 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
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but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: masturbation what's wrong?

Postby kc2dpt » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:45 pm

While the answers given so far have been spot on Dhamma, I'm still waiting for a clarification of the question from the original poster (OP). I'm certain the question is based on some misunderstanding or something misheard or taken out of context.
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Re: masturbation what's wrong?

Postby Prasadachitta » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:53 pm

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: masturbation what's wrong?

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Re: masturbation what's wrong?

Postby cooran » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:04 pm

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Re: masturbation what's wrong?

Postby kc2dpt » Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:27 am

Or I guess based on the opinion of a single monk quoted in one sentence in an academic book on Buddhism.
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Re: masturbation what's wrong?

Postby Ben » Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:55 am

Hi Peter
I thought what Harvey said was pretty reasonable.
I'm not suggesting that you should agree with him but he is a pretty reliable academic.
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- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: masturbation what's wrong?

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Re: masturbation what's wrong?

Postby Ben » Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:47 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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