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After Warder

Postby Reductor » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:41 am

Hey All,

I'm using Warder with the understanding that it has a great deal more in it than I will be able to pick up the first time. But there will come a time when I need something more: what is suggested?

My main goal is to read the canonical texts. A comment of Bhikkhu Bodhi's, that I read some place long ago, stated that Warder was not a broad education in the canonical Pali, but was a text on the Pali of the Digha (apologies if I've misquoted him - it's an old memory). How to be broader in understanding?

Going further than that, how does a westerner like me, who's distant from any place offering Pali classes, go about learning commentary level Pali? (I'm unlikely to get to that point, but am curious.)

Anyway, thanks for reading this; I look forward to any help.

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Postby Dhammanando » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:39 am

I would suggest you start by studying Charles Duroiselle’s and (if you can get hold of them) the second and third parts of A.P. Buddhadatta’s Pali Course. If you want to read Jātakas or the Dhammapada Atthakathā, then besides Tilt’s recommendation you should also download De Silva’s textbook from the same website as Duroiselle’s — it’s a good aid to building the vocabulary that you’ll need for these works.

Then read well-translated texts alongside the original Pali. Minor Readings and Illustrator —Ñāṇamoli’s translation of the Khuddakapāṭha and its commentary— is a great one to start with. Another good one is Dispeller of Delusion, Ñāṇamoli’s translation of the Sammohavinodanī (Vibhaṅga Atthakathā). And when you can’t figure out what’s going on and how on earth the translator renders some passage the way he does, post your queries here or go pay a visit to the monks at your nearest Sri Lankan or Burmese vihāra.

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Postby Kare » Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:31 pm

You have already got some very good advice here. I might add that since Warder uses texts from the Digha, you might try to read the full Digha after you finish Warder. Then you will already have studied parts of the Digha, so you will often find yourself on familiar ground. You will also get a few new challenges.

But there is no study edition of the Digha that I know of, so for further studies Glenn Wallis, "Buddhavacana, a Pali Reader", might be useful. This is a collection of suttas from different Nikayas, each with its glossary and ample space for notes.
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Has anyone seen Yang-Gyu An's The Buddha's Last Days: Buddhaghosa's Commentary of the Mahaparinibbana Sutta published by the PaIi Text Society? Is it worth using as a basis to familiarize oneself with Buddhaghosa's style of writing?

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Hey,

Just found that you can buy a of Buddhavacana from pariyatti.org . Cost: 5 bucks.

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Re: After Warder

Postby pabhaata » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:44 pm

i would recommend 'A new course in reading Pali' by James W. Gair and W.S. Karunatillake. it is more simple and concise than Warder. the quotes from the canon are also well chosen and inspiring.
later, when you are comfortable with reading the main pali texts - begin to consult the commentaries when you have trouble comprehending some difficult term. that is why the commentaries were written - in order to explain some difficult phrases and terms in the main canon.


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