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Buddhism and War

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Buddhism and War

Postby kmath » Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:11 am

There's a number of "Just War" theories out there and I wonder if people subscribe to any of them. Or if by undertaking the fifth precept, are you a strict pacifist? I'm curious to hear anyone's thoughts on the matter.

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Re: Buddhism and War

Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:38 am

There are a number of threads about war and if being in the military is Right Livelihood or not. Here is one:
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=12791

Or you can go to google and type in:
site:dhammawheel.com war

And there you will see quite a few threads on this subject.
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Re: Buddhism and War

Postby kmath » Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:58 am

After reviewing some of the old discussion, I want to ask a follow up:

Many people said they might be willing to participate in the war as a doctor or in a similar role that does not require actual fighting. So those people, do you expect others to do the fighting for you?

I don't like the trend I see in Buddhism that allows for "passing the karmic buck" onto other people. For instance,

1. Not killing animals but still eating the meat
2. Monks asking lay people to cut into seeds, dig soil, etc.
3. And in this case allowing others to fight for one

It just seems karmically selfish, so to speak. If you want those things done, why not just accept the consequences of doing them yourself?

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Re: Buddhism and War

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Re: Buddhism and War

Postby santa100 » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:27 pm

Thank you for the harsh reality Bhante.. :smile:
How about that pristine time when those Abhassara beings were reborn into our world with subtle and luminous bodies? Is it safe to say that there was no killing at least at that time? (DN 27 http://tipitaka.wikia.com/wiki/Agganna_Sutta )

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Re: Buddhism and War

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:06 pm

The Abhassara devas are celestial beings, not human beings, and if they were reborn on this world after they deceased from the Abhassara realms "with subtle and luminous bodies" they would not be human beings either, not by any sense of that term.

By the time that those beings evolved into human beings with males and females, indulging in sexual intercourse, then they might be called human beings, and there might be no killing at that time.

Such hypothetical scenarios based on the Aggañña Sutta are not the reality that we have to live with in this life, nor your descendants.
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Re: Buddhism and War

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Re: Buddhism and War

Postby lyndon taylor » Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:11 pm

If we didn't go to war, Saddam Hussein would be president of the USA, Oh, what, that wasn't going to happen, then why did we go to war.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Buddhism and War

Postby lyndon taylor » Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:05 pm

yes....... The government has already told us we are being invaded, and we have to fight them with their tortillas and burritos!!!
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

http://trickleupeconomictheory.blogspot.com/


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