Virgo wrote: seeker242 wrote:
Things like this always remind me of Verse 50 of The Dhammapada.
50. "Let none find fault with others; let none see the omissions and commissions of others. But let one see one's own acts, done and undone."
I assume, seeker, this is in reference to my post because I came on very strong (although I may be wrong).
No, It was just my random thought on the subject as a whole.
We have to understand that it's OK to speak up about things that are bad for the Dhamma. IF someone does something bad, it is OK to reprimand them and so forth.
Yes, please see below too though.
Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:
That is always a good verse to remember, but don't overlook the rest, e.g.
“Should one see a wise man, who, like a revealer of treasure,
points out faults and reproves;
let one associate with such a wise person;
it will be better, not worse, for him who associates with such a one. 76
“Let him advise, instruct, and dissuade one from evil;
truly pleasing is he to the good, displeasing is he to the bad.”77
I agree with both of the above! But at the same time if there is a person who has done bad and that person is not here, then you are not really reprimanding them but rather just talking about reprimanding them and just talking about their bad thing they have done. This is dangerous territory IMO! Because it can, although not necessarily, lead your mind towards ill will and away from metta. Sometimes unknowingly if you are not careful about it.
I think it's important to be mindful of the fact that this kind of attention, attention on others faults, has the potential to lead the mind away from metta. Like the OP has said "I don't much like "hearing" myself think such snide remarks; I really don't like being overly critical." If putting your mind on others faults causes your mind to become disturbed or upset, if it leads it away from metta, then one could argue this kind of attention is not "appropriate attention" because putting your attention on that has no real benefit but only negative effects. If putting your attention on it has no benefit but only negative effects, then what is the point of doing that? Of course this is not always the case but it can be.
Verse 76 and 77 are good too! But I can't help but think In verse 76 the wise man is talking directly to the person who has done bad, not talking about them, but to them. The same with 77. I just think it's important to be mindful of the fact that attention on others faults can, sometimes unknowingly, turn into something that is not beneficial rather than something that is beneficial. Of course this is not necessarily the case but the potential is there depending on the person. Focusing one's attention on others faults can be dangerous territory for one's own peace and wellbeing! But of course you all probably know all that already.